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Alexandra: Good afternoon everyone. This is Alexandra Meadors of Galactic Connection.com. And today is February 25, 2014 for my regular 4:00 pm BBS Radio Show. Today I have with me a guest which many of you have heard of and it is Karen Hudes. Karen Hudes has been really getting around the Alternative Media circuit these days, really trying to get out the word to all of us and trying to assist us to free the planet from financial tyranny which enslaves humanity. She’s a major proponent of getting the world’s gold back to the rightful owners – which is the people – not the Jesuits. And she has a fabulous background. Karen studied law at Yale Law School and economics at the University of Amsterdam. She has also worked at the Export-Import Bank of the United States from 1980-1985, and then went on to Legal Department of the World Bank from 1986-2007. And in 2007 she actually warned the US Treasury Department and the Congress that the US would lose it’s right to appoint the President of the World Bank, and she was right. And in 1999 she reported the corrupt take-over of the second largest bank in the Philippines. And it was because of this that she was reprimanded and placed on probation and then ultimately fired and in contempt of Congress. So that is a little bit background for Karen and I’m so excited Karen to be interviewing you today. I have so many good questions for you and as does some of my audience.  So welcome, and thank you for coming on with me today.

 

Karen Hudes: Oh thank you so much for inviting me, Alexandra. I’m really excited about this interview.

 

Alexandra: Good! I am too. My heart is with you, because I feel the passion in your heart. I feel the sincerity of what you are trying to accomplish. And I think that the first thing I want to ask you right off the bat is, can you elucidate for all of us what is truly behind all the bankers so-called suicides.

 

Karen: I can tell you what I’ve heard.

 

Alexandra: OK, great.

 

Karen: I don’t have any direct first-hand information so I’m pretty much extropolating from my experience. And what I’ve heard is, first of all, many of these bankers do know each other. Quite a few of them are coming from J.P. Morgan and what I had read on a website that tends to have pretty accurate financial information is that the corruption that they were about to expose had to do with the Vatican. And that is, of course, where a lot of this corruption is emanating from. So that sounds pretty plausible.

 

Alexandra: Yeah. I also read that it had something to do with reaping huge tax benefits from life insurance policies on the workers. Do you feel that is accurate?

 

Karen: You know, I’m hearing that from you now for the first time.

 

Alexandra: Well it really is shocking to many of us, because so many of them were in the late 20s and early 30s and suddenly having a heart attack. And many of us are aware of the deathray guns used on people that they suddenly have a heart attack and keel over and die, if they want to get rid of somebody. So I was curious if you heard anything about it.

 

But with no more prolonging getting into the meat and the potatoes, I want to ask you a little more about the gold situation. There is an intense amount of controversy and confusion on who literally owns the gold. And what I mean by that, is who is in control of the Collateral Accounts? There are many players on the stage, you’ve got Keenan, you’ve got some comments from Fulford, you know, I could go on and on, and I’m curious what your position regarding this.

 

Karen: Yes. Well, I’m glad we’re not debating about the amount of the gold, because that is where a lot of people start. We seem to be in agreement that there is a huge amount of gold. I can tell you, I didn’t know anything about this when I was in the World Bank Legal Department because this gold is cloaked in secrecy. I just found out about it because as I’ve gotten more and more exposure people have materialized out of the woodwork. And some of these people who are coming out of the woodwork are coming out with disinformation. So I’m working with a group of whistleblowers and that group is growing as we continue to work and we work together. It’s a loose network and what happens, and this has happened frequently actually, is that somebody who is a whistleblower will come to the group and then they will be susceptible to any of the things, they will either be rewarded, or they’ll be threatened, and then all of a sudden instead of working with the group, they will work against the group. And usually, the first time I’ll be kind of cautious, I’ll start being cautious, and the second time I’m just not going to run a risk. Even if there is a good explanation, I just can not take a risk of getting derailed. So that’s how it works with our group of whistleblowers.

 

So going back to Neil Keenan and Ben Fulford. I start out believing that whoever comes to me is on the up and up and it’s only after I discover through one thing or another that I will then distance myself from them. And that is true of both of these individuals. I would not work with either of them. I do not believe that they are working to improve the situation. (OK)  I’ve been threatened to be sued, so I’m not going to elaborate any more.

 

Alexandra: Sure, I understand. In fact, I’m really glad that that’s clear because are you familiar with David Crayford?

 

Karen: Yes I am, as a matter of fact. We’ve just – there’s a fellow who I’ve been working very closely with. His name is Wolfgang Struck.

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: Wolfgang is a German banker and lawyer who has been living in the Philipines for twenty years and he contacted me and we have started to really work together. He’s authorized to sign for the Global Collateral Accounts. So let me explain for a minute what these accounts are.

 

Alexandra: I would love to have you go into that and also clarify how he came into that position.

 

Karen: Right. I’ve just recently put a lot of the documentation up on the internet because he has given that to me and he asked me to do that for him. And going back to the issue of who is David Crayford. David Crayford has gotten into a debate with Wolfgang. I started out in this debate because there is this website that he’s the editor of. And after he pulled a fast one on me, what David Crayford did was – I put a link with some documents where people who were going to the site could evaluate the information I was giving and he broke the link. (Hmmm) And then I went back to him and I confronted him with what he had done and he didn’t even admit that he had done that, when it was perfectly obvious. And I said, you know what, I’m not going to be debating you on your website, I’m finished with you.

 

And Wolfgang was still involved in the debate with David Crayford. Then Wolfgang got frustrated, and now we’re just putting the information up in other places. But certainly, not at that website.

 

Alexandra: Well good for you. That website you are referring to –

 

Karen: It’s Rumor Mill News, that’s the website.

 

Alexandra: It’s well-known for being infiltrated by not such positive factions.

 

Karen: Well, we learned the hard way, but I start out by giving people the benefit of the doubt, and the good thing about that approach is that’s very advantageous too, because, you know what they say, about knowing your enemy and keeping your enemy close to you. Well, that way you get a sense who they are and where they’re coming from and what kind of disinformation there is, so you can recognize other factions later.

 

Alexandra: Perfect. Because that is what all of us need to be learning. I believe that that website puts out a tremendous amount of phenomenal information. But it’s just like anything else, there are a lot of disinfo agents out there that that’s what they do for a living, is try to slam the lightworkers or the whistleblowers or the people that are trying to get the word out or the truth out. So it’s become so much more difficult for all of us who are seeking out truth to really distinguish what is true and what is not.

 

Karen: Especially for people who don’t come at the problem from the inside or from a piece of the information. For people who do not know what my background is, I was a member of the Legal Department of the World Bank for twenty years. And in addition to being a lawyer, I am also a Development Economist. I studied Development Economics at the University of Amsterdam. I studied law at Yale Law School. I’m an American but I studied in Holland because during the Vietnam War I left the country. I was just looking for an another country. And Amsterdam was not a bad place to be. And certainly, if you want to learn about Development Economics the University of Amsterdam is a fabulous place.

 

I realized that if you wanted to work on Development Economics, you have to find out what was going with in the Developed World. Because it wasn’t just – you knew there was colonialism, you knew there was exploitation, and so you wanted to go back to the First World and find out how to get that bad arrangement somehow shifted. So that’s one of the reasons I went back. Also I felt also that, being admitted to Yale Law School, that credential was going to be useful. And it’s funny, that actually at this point of time, it’s more harm than good. Whereas the Economics from the University of Amsterdam is becoming increasingly more important and that’s especially because of what is going with currency. And people should recognize – I just had an interview with an Hungarian monetary economist named, Antal Fekete, who is the world expert on gold. He is the one who when South Africa celebrated 100 year anniversary of discovering gold at Witwatersrand, they invited Antal Fekete to give the keynote address.

 

Anyway, according to Antal, we are now at a cliff which is the same kind of cliff that we were at in the 300s just before we went into the Dark Ages. Because gold is about to go into hiding. All of the currencies, the paper currencies are about to collapse. And it’s very, very dramatic. And as Antal mentions this, you know what the signs are and you can actually measure it now because we have futures markets. So if the price of gold in the future is less than the price of gold for immediate delivery that shows you that people are starting to hoard gold, that they think that the paper currencies, they have lost their confidence in paper currencies. There’s another indicator and that is, the Central Banks lease their gold, but at a certain point in time they are afraid that at the end of the lease term the party will renege, and instead of giving back the gold they’ll just cash it out. So it gets too expensive to lease the gold anymore. So the Central Banks stopped leasing gold back in July, and we’ve been in gold backwardation now for more than a year. So as Antal Fekete characterizes this, we’re on Red Alert for all the paper currencies crashing. And this makes perfect sense. When you think about it, paper currency is just paper, and if you don’t have confidence in it then it starts to get more and more iffy.

 

And of course, with what’s been going on with something they call Quantitative Easing, that’s – the thing about lawyers and some economists is, they like to use fancy words to make people think that they have no right to get involved in the issue. They try to scare people away from trying to figure out what is going on. And you can’t allow yourself to be intimidated by this kind of trick – it’s just a trick.

 

So what I’m saying now is Quantitative Easing is a lie, it’s just a word for running the printing presses to deliberately crash the dollar. And why you would ask yourself, why would someone want to deliberately crash the dollar? It’s because they want to dismantle the economic and military strength of the United States. It’s a sabotage.

 

I asked the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey on December 2nd, when he had a Town Hall Meeting, I asked him why he was trying to deliberately crash the dollar, because we have an offer in the United States to do exactly what John F. Kennedy had accomplished ten days before his assassination. John F. Kennedy had signed something called the Green Hilton, as in ‘Hilton Hotel,’ the Green Hilton Agreement. What John F. Kennedy had done was to arrange for gold in the Collateral Account to be used to underpin dollars to be issued directly by United States Treasury, not the Federal Reserve. What happens with the Federal Reserve, when the Federal Reserve prints money, is first the Treasury Department sends – it’s called a promissary note, ‘we the United States citizens promise to repay this money that we are borrowing, we are going to repay it with a certain amount of interest on it.’ And what’s really fascinating is that money didn’t exist before. It’s being created by the printing presses. Now how does the Federal Reserve have the right to print the money and get interest on it? This is just a scam!

 

Alexandra: Well, not only that, it’s foreign corporations that are making money off of us printing money within our own country. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

Karen: No, the only ones that it makes sense for is the bankers. When you go back through history, you find out that there were presidents who were assassinated for trying to take back the right to print the dollar by the Treasury Department. Abraham Lincoln was one of those presidents with the Green Backs. Andrew Jackson was nearly assassinated but they missed him and he did succeed actually for a time in getting the US to print it’s own currency. But what’s been going on is that there’s a group right at the center of the world financial system. That group has been there since before the previous Ice Age only we didn’t know about them.

 

Alexandra: So Karen, back up a second. You made a very interesting statement that they started leasing the gold in July of last year, why then?

 

Karen: The reason why is because people started losing confidence, it’s a market thing.

 

Alexandra: OK.

 

Karen: The cost of the lease was too high. You would have to price the amount of  penalty at the end of the lease, if you don’t return the gold, that penalty was too high because people were starting to keep the gold and hoard it. The risk got to be too high. It’s just a matter of pricing the risk. (OK) And the reason why it had got riskier and riskier is because of this Quantitative Easing, which is printing dollars with no backing. The dollars are losing their credibility. We’re losing confidence in them.

 

Alexandra: I like the fact that you made that specifically clear because it isn’t about them losing value, they are value-less, it’s because they have lost the confidence of the people. So you also said something – how we weren’t going to argue about the amount of the gold. And I have it listed here below that you spoke about – Geez, there’s a lot – 170,500 –

 

Karen: That’s just the US’s share.

 

Alexandra: That’s the United States, and then 130,500 in Hawaii and Hong Kong, 150,000 in Singapore, 120,000 in Japan, 100,000 in US banks, 130,000 in Thailand, and I guess what my question to you is, you also mention something about the gold versus the unregistered gold. Is this the reason why there is so much speculation about what the true amount is?

 

Karen: When I said ‘unregistered,’ I don’t remember that word. I know some of the gold – most of it is in the Philippines. I think it is 600,000 metric tonnes in the Central Bank of the Philippines, and then there is another more than 100,000 that is buried in the Philippines. And then there is over 200,000 metric tonnes in the Union Bank of Switzerland, that’s just around the corner from the Vatican, ja, it’s all over the place, that gold. And who does it belong to? It belongs to humanity, it’s in one trust.

 

If you don’t know what a trust is I can explain that. That’s when somebody is taking care of something for somebody else. That’s a trust. There’s a legal form for doing that. The person who is supposed to be taking care of what’s in the trust is called the trustee. And the trustee is given the authority to act for the benefit of the people who are called the beneficiaries. That’s what a trust is. You take care of something for somebody else.

 

So the person who is taking care of the world’s gold for the world’s people is Wolfgang Struck. And he got to do this because that is what Ferdinand Marcos was doing, and just before Ferdinand Marcos died, he assigned the right to be the trustee on these Collateral Accounts, is what they are called. He assigned it to – Wolfgang was the lawyer and banker and there was a Philippino who’s also got that responsibility.

 

Alexandra: So what keeps Wolfgang alive and safe?

 

Karen: You know, he was very, very shy at the very beginning but he started getting the hang of it when he saw what was going on with me. It’s called hiding in plain light.

 

Alexandra: Yeah. This true. But that’s an incredible responsibility on only one person’s shoulders. But I do know that it’s so interesting Karen, because back in the late 90s I was aware of this, I was aware of the gold in the Philippines. I even saw pictures, and I had some secret meetings with people who had this information. I was just blown away.

 

Karen: I worked in the Philippines and I didn’t know about it. I was there in the late 1990s as well as the World Bank’s lawyer. And I got involved with – the President at the time was Joseph Estrada, who got impeached by the Chief Justice of the Philippine Supreme Court. I was working with Hilario Davide on a Judicial Reform project. So I was working in the Philippines for about three years and then I got reassigned because I started reporting the corruption there. And the people in the World Bank wanted me to just ignore it and I wouldn’t. So that was the beginning of the cover-up that I started reporting. So I didn’t know about the World Corruption I was looking at it from the point of view of a lawyer who’s working inside a bank and I was just following the rules for lawyers.

 

And the thing about the World Bank is, it’s right at the very center of the world’s financial system and so is it’s sister organization, called the International Monetary Fund. And it’s only now, that I found out that the World Bank and the IMF when they were created, they were created deliberately on that pile of gold, and they were given a function with that gold. But I didn’t learn about this until after Wolfgang showed me the documents.  But what I did know was that there was corruption and that the people who were buying World Bank bonds – as the World Bank sells bonds in the capital markets – and then they have to give accurate financial information. So when I got fired, illegally, I knew that if I bought a World Bank bond, I could sue the World Bank as a bond holder and the World Bank would not have any immunity as an international organization, because the World Bank has waived it’s immunity for bond holders.

 

I knew a lot of the tricks of an insider because one of the lawyers who was there when the World Bank was created in 1944 was a Dutch lawyer named Aaron Broches, and I got to know him when he was an old man.  And even before I went to the World Bank – because I always knew that I wanted to work at the World Bank – so he told me when Robert McNamara went to the World Bank as the World Bank President in 1968, that’s when the World Bank started to get corrupt. So I knew there was a problem and I also knew that the Legal Department was the very HEART of the World Bank because the way the World Bank works is, usually it used to have automatically a president appointed just by the President of the United States without any of the other countries having a say so. And the International Monetary Fund, across the street, the Managing Director of the IMF would be appointed by the Europeans without anybody else’s say so.

 

But that changed in 2010 and it was called The Gentlemen’s Agreement. The Gentlemen’s Agreement no longer exists. Now the countries who own the World Bank, there’s a 188 of them, they can decide who becomes the new president. So the current president, Jim Kim, had to compete with two other candidates because the Gentlemen’s Agreement ended. I warned the US Treasury Department that we were going to lose the Gentlemen’s Agreement. I warned them in 2007 based on an very accurate – it’s called game theory modeling – you use a computer to simulate how coalitions will form. And this model, I learned about it because there’s a political scientist named Jacek Kugler who came to the World Bank from the Department of Defense. He had developed this for the Department of Defense and he came to the World Bank and he said, You know, I’ve used a different formula, it works the same, but the Department of Defense has no right to this second model and I can use this model in a World Bank project.

 

So we used it in Ghana and then I asked Jacek if I could model the Rule of Law at the World Bank and Jacek said, ‘Sure,’ and I did. That’s why I could tell the Treasury Department that we modeled that in 2004 and then in 2007 when I saw that there was this corruption that wasn’t going to go away, I went to the Treasury Department and I went to the US Congress and you can see on my website the letters I was writing, warning about this. (Oh yeah.) And this model is in the Department of Defense. I spoke to Secretary Chuck Hagel about it when he was a Senator from Nebraska in 2008. So when he became Secretary of Defense, I went to the Inspector General of the Department of Defense and you know full well how accurate this model is – it is 90-95% accurate. We are on a collision course to World War III. First we’re going to have a currency war, unless we start playing by the rules.

 

And so I have been all over the Department of Defense since then. And where we are right now is, I understand that a lot of veterans – you know, I’m giving them the literature on this model – there’s a very good German journalist named Lars Schall and he wrote an article and in that article you can see links to this model and you can see descriptions of the experience and the track record of this model. And that’s one of the reasons why I’m very, very optimistic that we’re not going to go into permanent gold backwardation. Because this model started predicting when I got a statement up on the UK Parliament website, because there’s an English whistleblower from the World Bank named Elaine Coville, she is Scottish, and the two of us are just working as a dog and pony show and we’ve gotten actually three statements up on the UK Parliament website. The last one was in July. You can see what are statements are. The model, once we got our statements up on the UK Parliament website, this model is 90-95% accurate, it’s predicting there’s going to be an end to this corruption in the financial system. It’s predicting the gold is going to come out in the best good of humanity, and this 90-95% accurate. And I think this is also – I’m sharing this information with Wolfgang – and he is waiting for this model to work.

 

Alexandra: Well, I think that there are many of us that actually do believe that, especially coming from the spiritual community. I think I have a myriad of questions to ask you. Going back to the World Bank and the 188 countries that are members. Which countries are not members of the World Bank?

 

Karen: You go to the UN and I have been writing to all the UN missions – the New York missions to the UN – and if you line these up, you see which ones – North Korea is one,

 

Alexandra: I think it’s Iran, isn’t it?

 

Karen: Yes, that’s also one. There’s some others, some obscure islands. There’s just a handful. But most of the countries are members.

 

Alexandra: I was just curious about that. Also, what is your perspective on China’s up and coming supposedly 23 trillion dollar default that has begun. How is that impacting the US?

 

Karen: They’re defaulting on what? I’m sorry . . .

 

Alexandra: On the stocks. You know, as far as our debt . . .

 

Karen: You mean they’re selling the Treasuries they bought? Is that what you mean?

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: OK. That was an interesting story actually. CNN started running a story about that – maybe about a month ago. They said China was dumping it’s US Treasury and bills that it had. And it also said that China was preventing ships from sailing in their South Seas surrounding China. So what I did was, I went to all of the countries that are part of the UN Mission and I sent them an email and I explained how what was really going on was that this gold belongs to humanity and it needs to come out of hiding and that’s really the first order of business, and that everything else is just a distraction meant to take people away from this first order of business. The reason why it is the first order of business is because if we don’t have currency – think about how inter-connected the economies are, and we can’t pay for international trade, we can’t pay for medicine, think of how our goods are assembled from parts that come from abroad. You just can not end that trade overnight and have the economies continue to function, so what you would have is mass starvation. Not only that, but once you go into that situation, it’s kind of like a black hole. You have no equipment to get you out of it, you can’t dig your way out of it. That’s why the countries were in the Dark Ages for so long. It’s like all of the economies implode.

 

Alexandra: What kind of response did you get, after writing to all of the countries?

 

Karen: What happened, you’ll remember was, CNN the next day, it said it had been hacked. And I spoke with people and they said they’re familiar with the CNN news room, and there’s absolutely no way that that story could have been released by CNN through a hacker. They took it back. They took it back because they saw how people were reacting.

 

Alexandra: Oh god, that’s too funny.

 

Karen: Yeah. So that same situation is now actually going on because in Australia the Group of 20 is meeting and I have sent out a series of emails. First you can go on the web and you can see – somebody posted, I forgot the name of the blogger – it’s a JP somebody or other, I think it’s a pen name – has posted about what it is that the world currency should now be now instead of being backed by US dollars as the reserve currency, it should be backed by something called ‘special drawing rights’  from the International Monetary Fund.

 

Alexandra: Yes, the SDRs.

 

Karen: Now, what’s happening with the dollar, as the dollar weakens, is first of all Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, the BRICS countries, are no longer using dollars as the price for their international trade. They’re using off-sets and then if somebody owes money at the end of the day they’re going to settle it with gold. So in 25% of international trade the dollar is no longer the international reserve currency. This is something enormous.

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: And the other enormous development is the fact that there is a fourth credit rating agency which is owned by the Russians and the Chinese. It’s called the Universal Credit Rating Group. That group – China has already down-graded the US credit rating.

 

Alexandra: Now how does that affect us, the layman that is not heavily into the financial sector. Could you explain how that affects us and our economy, etcetera.

 

Karen: If we are paying interest on our debt and our credit rating deteriorates we have to pay more interest in order to borrow. People want to get a bigger return to cover the added risk of holding dollars. So it makes an enormous impact, an humongous impact.

 

Alexandra: Now are they planning on opening up additional credit rating agencies?

 

Karen: All you need is an other one because the three big credit rating agencies – Standard and Poor down-graded the US credit rating for the first time and then Eric Holder, the Attorney General, sued Standard and Poor over something else. And the lawyer who represented Standard and Poor said Eric Holder brought that lawsuit exactly at the same time that Standard and Poor lowered the US credit rating. So that doesn’t work if the credit rating agencies are being prevented from disseminating the correct information. That’s why you need a fourth one.

 

Alexandra: And an unbiased party, for sure

 

Karen: So the problem is, of course, the illegality that the World Bank whistleblowers have been reporting. I reported, I told you that I was in the country of the Philippines, I reported that there was a cover-up of corruption in the Philippines on a banking sector loan where the loan ended up with $900 million worth of problem. I can go in exactly how you get to $900 million worth of problem, but believe me it was not a successful project and the evaluation department lied to the Board of the World Bank and said that the World Bank could not have forseen that this outcome would have happened, so therefore the World Bank should not be given a bad grade for it’s role in supervising that project. And I wrote a memo saying that the Board had been misinformed, that’s a cover-up to the Board, and I was interviewed for the job of General Counsel at the World Bank. And during that interview, they said why is there such an turn over in the General Counsel job. I said, ‘That’s easy, it’s because the World Bank is not in compliance on the capital markets. That’s the technical word to say that the Board is not getting the information that it needs. Just remember Enron. When a Board is being duped, and it’s a financial entity, that is a huge problem.

 

And so the Executive Search Firm, that was Randall Reynolds, knew that they had to solve that problem. When a General Counsel says that the company, the financial company is out of compliance, if there’s a job search, for General Counsel, the World Bank – the client, has to be brought into compliance. That’s the job of the Executive Search Firm. So I kept asking for what was the information that the Executive Search Firm gave to the World Bank when I made that disclosure. I knew that there had to be consequences. So I went to the Treasury Department, I went up the corporate ladder to the Audit Committee, I went to the Treasury Department when that didn’t work. You can see in the chronology – I also testified to the European Parliament. And I gave the European Parliament that detailed chronology. The Legal Department of the European Parliament then went to the World Bank and I got correspondance documenting that. What I have is, I knew that when I had documented all of this and I had gone to such things as the European Parliament and the UK Parliament, I knew that things were going to resolve. There was no way for them not to resolve – well, there was one way for them not to resolve, and that was to end up in a currency war. I knew that civilization was in a fork in the road.

 

Alexandra: Yes, yes.

 

Karen: And I was at the very heart of that fork. And I was not going to let them take the wrong road. So you’ll see in a letter on my website, I went to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, because he’s also the Chair of something called the Judicial Conference. That’s the group who oversees the Federal Court System. And when that problem didn’t resolve, I knew that we had something called State Capture in the United States. That’s when the government is so corrupt that it cannot right itself. That’s like you’re in a boat, and the rudder is not working.

 

Alexandra: Which where we are now.

 

Karen: So I documented that and then I wrote a second stronger letter to – there’s the Judicial Conference, then there’s a Executive Committee of the Judicial Conference. So just before the Spring meetings in the World Bank in April of 2013, I went to the Chair of the Executive Committee, that’s Justice Traxler. And I said 188 Ministers of Finance are looking to see whether the Judiciary is going to pick the right fork on the road. They want to know where the United States is standing in this grave crisis. And that’s the letter that I just circulated with some other documentation to all of the countries whose missions are in the United Nations. And I said, ‘You people know that you are entitled to the gold, and you also know that the World Bank and the IMF are the ones to hand this out. Not the Group of 20, not the rich countries. All the countries of the world are entitled to a seat at the table when this gold is divvied up. So this Group of 20 – the meeting that they are having – has nothing to do with deciding what happens to the gold, ja?

 

Alexandra: Wow!

 

Karen: I put the brakes on Group of 20.

 

Alexandra: That’s awesome. And I commend you for that. I think the thing that is difficult for all of us that follow this, there are many out there who are following the progress of you and the other whistleblowers are making is we are still confused about who the players are. Who’s on the good team, who’s on the I-really-don’t-care-about-humanity team – I just want the gold for me. And I’ve had many, many people write to me, we have, for example, the White Dragon Society, I’ve heard there’s positive and negative to that, can you comment on that?

 

Karen: The White Dragon Society doesn’t exist. It’s just the Jesuits playing games, creating theatre.

 

Alexandra: That’s interesting. OK. What about the Prosperity Programs.

 

Karen: OK. Let me tell you about the International Court of Justice.

 

Alexandra: OK.

 

Karen: First let’s talk about where this gold came from.

 

Alexandra: Great!

 

Karen:  It started with the Pharoahs. It’s King Solomon’s gold. Then you’ve got the Incas and the Mayas and all the gold in Latin America that the Conquistadors got, and don’t forget the Philippines was Spain’s colony, ja?

 

Alexandra: Yeah. Right.

 

Karen: Then you then this guy Yamashita. Let me tell you about who Yamashita is, or was. Queen Victoria had a twin, Prince Tallano. And Prince Tallano was sent to the Philippines. And then he went around the world having affairs. So General Yamashita was the son of Prince Tallano and a Japanese woman. Adolf Hitler was the son of Prince Tallano with a German woman.

 

Alexandra: It doesn’t surprise me though.

 

Karen: OK. When General Yamashita went around before, you know, in the 30s just before World War II and he said, ‘You can’t hold onto your gold because it’s going to be looted in the coming up war and therefore we will give you a bond denominated in gold – it’s a certificate that says you’re going to get 4% interest and you’re going to get your gold back, but give us the gold for safe-keeping, ja? And they also they went to 66 countries and they took the gold of those countries, and gave them certificates.

 

Wolfgang Struck has 210 trillion dollars worth of gold certificates and having the right numbers. You can see pictures of the Federal Reserve box that those bonds were in, ja? Now that cancels the US debt, by the way.

 

Alexandra: Doesn’t that cancel a lot of other countries’ debt too?

 

Karen: Yes. Yes, yes. That’s why the bankers, of course, will not honor these bonds. They want to keep charging interest. They don’t want to say that they owe money. That’s why the whole world is net creditors.

 

Alexandra: But here’s my other question. If this whole financial situation is a farce to begin with, is the debt anything real that we have to hold ourselves accountable to?

 

Karen: Well, you do have to do the accounting. But then the question is, who does the accounting and is it reliable, ja?

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: Can it be done in a transparent way? Do we have the institutions and are we able after all this terrible corruption that has been going on for millennia, are we able to get ourselves straightened out and fly straight. That’s the question I have asked the World Bank whistleblowers. I say, if we got back inside the World Bank – they’re just wrapping their minds around the fact the World Bank has been sitting on all of this treasure, the world’s wealth. And just to give you a flavor of it – a month ago there were four paintings, one of them was by Monet of the Waterlilies, and Imelda Marcos’ maid had sold one of them for $34 million and she was convicted. Anyway, Wolfgang had me write a letter to the lawyers representing Imelda Marcos’ maid, I’ve forgotten her name, saying that this painting belongs in the Collateral Accounts, it belongs to humanity.

 

Alexandra: Very interesting. Do you feel that the ultimate core reason that we went into World War II was about the gold?

 

Karen: No. We went into all of the world wars because the bankers wanted to keep humanity in debt and paying interest to them. And also keeping people divided and conquer.

 

Alexandra: Yes, they’re really good at that.

 

Karen: Ja. So that’s what we’re seeing now with the Ukraine. It’s a way of, instead of allowing us to focus on us getting our act together before gold goes into permanent gold backwardation, they want us to be distracted with all of these things. It’s like a 3-ring circus.

 

Alexandra: You mentioned that it was definitely confirmed that the Chinese and the Russian Military were working with the US Military to dethrone this elite group . . . Do you think that is still very much . . .

 

Karen: Well, let me tell how that works. So don’t forget that you’ve got a few of these – I call them gate-keepers. You’ve got the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff – I’ve had two people write me that that he’s a Knight of Malta. Your listeners know what a Knight of Malta is, don’t they?

 

Alexandra: Yes, oh yes.

 

Karen: OK. So then, in the military, there’s the Inspector General. I’ve written to him because, you know of course, what happened on October 8th, when there was a nuclear bomb that was detonated off the coast of Charleston 600 miles off the coast. And the reason it didn’t go off over the citizens of Charleston, was because of two heroes. (Yes) There’s Major General Michael Carey who was Commander of the 20th Air Force and also Vice Admiral Tim Giardina.

 

Alexandra: I think there was a total of 22 of them who got canned, right?

 

Karen: It’s gotten up to 200 of them as far as I know. (Wow) I wrote to the Inspector General and I said, ‘You know, the pretext for firing these commanders do not comply with the personnel policies. And that’s your job to make sure that things are done correctly.’ They’re not being done correctly. You’ve got these people in the very important key positions that are traitors that are dismantling the army and the navy. But it’s in plain view. So that’s where people have to make it clear that they find this totally unacceptable. Why would the United States allow their military to be dismantled. How can we be a strong country with these traitors in those key positions, that are acting at the behest of the Jesuits. We can’t accept this.

 

Alexandra: Well, Karen that’s true, but at the same time because of the amount of disinformation out there, people don’t know who is on their team and who is not on their team.

 

Karen: So to answer your question, Alexandra, about are the militaries working together, yes, but you’ve got these traitors so what can you say about the US Military. Because of course, they’re supposed to follow the senior commanders. But one of the interesting articles that I read is that you’ve got some of the mid-level brass who are fearing for their lives because, you’ve heard of ‘friendly fire.’

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: These guys, if they’re not loyal to the military, the troops are taking them out.

 

Alexandra: Wow!

 

Karen: So you’ve got a military where it’s pretty clear that the military at the bottom is not following the military brass which are the traitors and the ones in the middle, the mid-level officers are getting in the cross-fire. So that’s what you have.

 

Alexandra: What a mess.

 

Karen: No, I’d much rather have this than have people just following the traitors off the cliff. Humanity is no longer acting like a lemming. This is good.

 

Alexandra: No, it is good. I think there are some phenomenal groups stepping forward from the Saudi War that are really – they’ve thrown their medals aside, and they’re saying, ‘I didn’t go into the military to fight for one specific faction and shoot at my own family and citizenry.

 

Karen: I’m trying to remember and I really should remember this – the football player – is it Trilling? [Pat Tillman]

 

Alexandra: I think I know who you are talking about.

 

Karen: The football player who was going to come back home and tell people what was really going on in Afghanistan, when what we’re doing is, we we’re raising poppies for the drugs. That’s what we were doing in Afghanistan.

 

Alexandra: Yup, heroin. Well, according to some of the people who I interview, one of the major ways that the Cabal has of getting money is through the drug trade. And that’s one of the most active sectors of the resistance – to shut that down.

 

Karen: I’m sorry to tell you that it is much deeper than that. Because we are sending our tax dollars to the City of London and the Vatican. That drug money is running our government.

 

Alexandra: Yes, unfortunately. I agree with you. I totally agree.

 

Karen: So it’s not just drug money just for a few bribes here and there. It’s the bread and the butter of our budget.

 

Alexandra: So where do we go from here, Karen? I want to ask you, if we go over time do you have more time?

 

Karen: Sure.

 

Alexandra: OK. What I can do is split this into components on the website. Because there’s so much to cover. People have been waiting for this interview, by the way. Several people have been writing in to me.

 

Where do we go from here? You have talked many times about this group of whistleblowers. Many people have asked me why are you all not united and maybe have a name something so all of us can contribute, and give ideas and give support and maybe even some funding or whatever.

 

Karen: Just think about it. (OK) Think about the personal risk. Think about what it’s going to do to lives of the families of these people. I’m just amazed that there is anybody that’s willing to do this publically, frankly.

 

Alexandra: Yeah.

 

Karen: I’m amazed that we all are in contact with each other. So, you have to take it as it is. And believe me and we are not far from going back into the World Bank and distributing the world’s gold, I personally believe that. And you will see who these people are. They took a very vocal, up-front place at the World Bank when they were discharged for pointing out the fraud and the bad accounting. So they are reliable people and I would have never been able to manage without the information they were feeding me. So I would be at the my desk and somebody would call up and say, ‘Karen, you’ve got to go to this hearing in Congress and I’d jump into my car and go there. So we’ve been working as a tag team to get things to where they are now. It’s amazing that we were able to hold it together this long.

 

Alexandra: Do you feel that you’re able to hold these main players accountable because of the legal system that they themselves use? Is that the primary component that is kind of keeping their hand to the fire?

 

Karen: What is keeping them to the fire is that everybody is really doing their jobs. So for example, if you read that book by – I called him Michael O’Bannon – it’s really Robert O’Bannon – he’s an ex-Marine who wrote a book and he’s the one who said that the military are working together, and that is absolutely true but it’s not like you would go to the Secretary of Defense and, ‘OK Secretary Hagel, I see that you are working together with the Chinese and the Russians.’ No, he would not say that.

 

Alexandra: No.

 

Karen: And if you read what Robert O’Bannon says it’s perfectly plausible that the militaries are all bound and determined to work together to get this corruption straightened out. They understand what’s at stake.

 

Alexandra: You know, I’m glad that you brought this up because I’m a military brat. My dad was a Colonel in the Air Force, he was a fighter pilot and also in Vietnam, served time and in my opinion, was a major hero, OK. Because of being brought up in that environment, I totally believe that by the amazing high number of people that I’ve met in the military, that the one main reason that they join is because they ultimately really want to support, defend, and protect their country, period. And the government has – I shouldn’t say the ‘govenment’ – maybe I should say military has received such terrible reports and again, just as you’ve said, it’s the divide and conquer type of thing. I love what David Icke has put out where you have the Problem-Reaction-Solution so they create the problem so that people just don’t trust the military at all.

 

And I think that is one of my other questions. I’m not even sure if you’re the right person to ask this, but I’m wondering how would it be if it gets to the point where the positive military comes in at that point we are taking the gold back, we’re taking our power back, how will the citizens around the world react to their own’s countries’ military, because of the amount of incredible negative press they’ve received.

 

Karen: See, the way I think it’s working is that there is a world coalition. The world is pulling together on this. We have the institutional machinery for that in the Bretton Woods institutions, although the Cabal thought they owned it – guess what – it’s like jujitsu we can turn it around (True) and so we have that framework. So we can have this framework for a rule of law but it’s not like not like the Bretton Woods institution is going to come into each of the countries and tell them what to do. What we’re going to do in the United States is we’re going to use the Article V of the Constitution where it said that when a 2/3 of the States request a Constitutional Convention there will be one. OK, we’re going to use that and a lot of people will say oh, there’s no way you will be able to come up with something good. And all we have to do, from the get-go is to get rid of the secret Second Constitution. We have to say that is no longer in effect.

 

Alexandra: Karen, talk a little bit more about that for the audience, as there are some who are not aware of that. I’m aware of it, and I’d like you to talk about that.

 

Karen: OK, what happened in the Treaty of Paris that Benjamin Franklin negotiated was the banks who had loaned money to the colonies were told that they could get their money back, they would be repaid in 70 years. And then we didn’t have the money, so we were in bankruptcy and then there was the Civil War and so there was another in 1871, there was a secret Constitution which said that the United States was going to be created as a corporation and the corporation was going to repay the debt.

 

So people are not aware of it. It was done secretly. That was when the District of Columbia was created. So what we have to do is, we have to repeal that Second secret Constitution and after that, first of all, the way it works, you have a convention and you propose whatever it is that you are going to do and that’s got to be ratified by a 3/4 of the State Legislatures. So if it’s really a bad thing, it’s not going to get the 3/4 of the State Legislatures to agree to it. (Right) And one thing that I think it would be pretty easy to get 3/4 of the State Legislatures to agree to and that is to repeal that secret Second Constitution.

 

Alexandra: You really think so?

 

Karen: Well, do you think the American citizens want their tax dollars going to the City of London, that’s what that Consitution is about?

 

Alexandra: No, no, of course not, but I just don’t feel that the Congress is really representing the positive turn-out for the people.

 

Karen: Well, the Congress has nothing to do with it. The only thing that Congress has to do with it, is that they are required to convene it. Then you’ve got two representatives from each of the States and they come up with proposals, (OK) that are then voted on by the States. Congress is not part of this. The only thing that Congress has to do is they have to add up the number of requests and they have to convene the Convention. And they haven’t done that, they haven’t done their job. They are AWOL.

 

Alexandra: So on our end, we have to come up with two definitely, high-caliber individuals per State to be representives for this cause.

 

Karen: That’s right.

 

Alexandra: Interesting.

 

Karen: They are just simply going to propose things that get ratified.

 

Alexandra: Hmmm, OK.

 

Karen: Or not. So if they do a bad job then it’s not going to get ratified. It not like they’re going to hijack the place.

 

Alexandra: So you know, a lot of people are talking about right now, here, today, how do we get the gold back and how do we bring the Jesuits down, etcetera, etcetera. I would like to ask you how do you forsee this new system unfolding transparently.

 

Karen: The very first thing is that people have got to figure out how to know if it is working or if it isn’t working, ja? So, I can give you a couple of what I think are ways of finding that out. And the first thing is to see what is going to the World Bank whistleblowers and other whistleblowers who you know are real whistleblowers. So that’s the way to know if you’re getting real information. And if you don’t know that the information that you’re getting from the mainstream media is bought and sold by these corrupt groups – and just to let people know the way we know that these groups are corrupt, this Federal Institute of Technology did a very accurate analysis of the companies on the capital markets and found out that are 43,000 of them and 60% of the earnings of these companies are going into one single conglomerate. So, and that conglomerate has bought all the mainstream media.

 

So if you are waiting to hear news, you know, if you’re just buying the newspapers and that’s as far as you’re concerned about – that news, then it’s going to be clear that things are not going to get better. You’ve got to learn that you have to be critical of any of the information you are getting – who’s telling it to you, do they have a motive, try to evaluate that. You can not just take things for granted and just sort of sit back and expect things to right themselves without you doing your part. You have to start getting involved and weighing the information. You know, I never object when people ask me hard questions. I always come up with proof of it. And a lot of times, if I don’t have the proof of it, I have to go back and re-evaluate it myself, what it is, what’s going on.

 

Alexandra: Well, you’ve got quite a support team out there Karen. And you might not know that all of the time, but you do. And we know that it’s got to take a tremendous amount of tenacity big time, you know, on your part to keep chasing this down the road. You know, kicking the can down the road to get to the ultimate goal. I mean, it appears to me that you are so divinely positioned because of your legal background – to be in the place where you are right now. And I’m wondering to you again, what do the people out there look for, as far as who can we really trust to follow the movement that is going on within the financial sector.

 

Karen: I would say, if you’re just going to say that one person, and I’ll just take everything they tell me, you had better – you haven’t been listening to what I’ve been telling you.

 

Alexandra: OK.

 

Karen: I said the groups of whistleblowers they themselves are always evaluating the people they are working with because something might have led them to start doing things for another reason. So you just cannot let up, unfortunately, you’ve got to be critical thinkers. And by being critical thinkers that means, what I said to a couple of people that I’m just not working with anymore, I say, if you walk like a duck and you quack like a duck I have to act as if I think you are a duck.

 

Alexandra: Umhmm.

 

Karen: And they can be, you know, doing helpful things and all of sudden quacking and walking like a duck. That’s it.

 

Alexandra: Right. Because the character is not there.

 

Karen: I think – let me change the subject at the very end, on something we haven’t really touched on and that’s religion.

 

Alexandra: OK.

 

Karen: I don’t want to hear from somebody about what they think their religion is, I want to see what they do.

 

Alexandra: Yeah, good point, good point. I love it. Well, and what do you feel as far as when you bring up religion, I don’t know if you want to talk about this, if we follow the money and we go from the proceeds of the tax dollars that are being collected you said that 40% of the money goes to the City of London, and 60% goes to the Vatican and then you and I had a conversation and I was, ‘where does it go from there?’ Are you willing to expound upon that?

 

Karen: Yeah. Let’s talk a little bit about religion.

 

Alexandra: Sure.

 

Karen: Because people think that I am anti-Catholic. And they say, ‘Well, this is a Jewish lady who’s blaming the Jesuits, that doesn’t work. I got into a huge fight with somebody who was trying to divide me and Wolfgang Struck. Because they were telling him that he was anti-Semitic and I told them that I’m not going to work with them anymore. You take people at face value for what they are doing, first of all. Second of all, this whole business about religion has been used to divide and conquer people.

 

Alexandra: Absolutely.

 

Karen: You can’t look into someone’s heart to see whether they are in service to their fellow man and what kind of a human being they are. And as far as I am concerned you’ve got to stop calling people names. One of the questions that I am getting is, what’s supposed to happen with Israel. Because there is a HUGE problem (oh yes) with what’s going on in the Middle East. And the answer that I gave them is, you have to look at the scholars who are dealing with Maimonides, who was the foremost philosopher and he was raised by the Spanish in the 1200s. The people who carried the spark of civilization through the Dark Ages happened to be the Arab Civilization, happened to be the Moors, ja?

 

And let me get to the very difficult conversation which is, what is behind the Jesuits. As far as I know, as I said I am working with whistleblowers, there’s an neurologist who came and said, ‘There is another species on this planet. It has a huge brain and they have been the nemesis of humanity. They have been the ones that have been dividing human beings and getting them to hate each other and to play one religion against each other. And what they did and whenever the religious books were being written they were putting provisions in there. They were taking what the prophets said and they were twisting it. They were not translating it properly. They were not taking the teachings that were there and they were twisting them in a way that made human beings susceptible to being brainwashed.

 

Alexandra: Yeah.

 

Karen: We have to learn to use our own intuition and our own instincts. And our own love of our own species. We don’t hate each other, we don’t want to kill each other, we don’t want to have wars, we have been manipulated through people who were using our sense of religion to mislead us.

 

Alexandra: Well Karen, we have to get away from labels, period. I’m Alexandra, you’re Karen. I don’t care if your Jewish or Buddhist or – . I’m not talking with you today because of whatever religion you are. I’m talking to you today because I want to hear what you have to say about the financial world. And the more that we can step back and – I talk about this all the time with my audience when anybody writes in to me – and that is, we need to stop getting SO polarized in our thinking because that is exactly what they want us to do and that is what creates the conflict. And there is so much information out there, it is much better to remain in a state of neutrality in observing that information, and then as you said using critical thinking and intuitiveness, trusting in your own inner voice to see what rings true to you. Because sometimes your truth and my truth Karen, you know, if you look at something that happens down the street and I see the same thing, we will still have a different perspective of what happened. That’s what makes the world go around. Are you there?

 

Karen: I’m shaking my head ‘yes.’

 

Alexandra: OK. So you were talking a little bit about the homo capensis – isn’t that’s who you were alluding to? Tell me about how you stumbled onto this, you met a neurologist?

 

Karen: Actually, what happened was, there are groups of whistleblowers and we have been coalescing, and one of the groups that has coalesced is a group of people that were working on the 9/11 problem, that’s called Able Danger, that group. So when you get involved with a group of whistleblowers or a group that’s working together, it’s like putting a jigsaw puzzle together. They were working on it on one side and you kind of mesh the insights. And then there’s another group coming out of the film industry. There’s a film producer, Edmund Druilhet, who did The Banksters, Madoff With America. . . .

 

Alexandra: Yeah, I’ve heard about that.

 

Karen: So he put a lot of information together and one of the people that he introduced me to is this neurologist named Ed Spencer. And Ed is the one who was telling me about homo capensis and MK Ultra, which is a way of trying to use people’s minds to mislead them. And there’s all kinds of technology that people don’t know about that’s been developed.

 

Alexandra: Look at the LA riots a while back. Oh my god, that was completely blown wide open, as far as the amount of manipulation that was used on the people. All of you people who are listening, you’ve got to know that we’re in a petrie dish and literally we are experiments all the time. They know very much about the way that humanity works, the way that we respond, all our emotional bodies, how we react emotionally, and they are going to use that to their advantage to maintain their power and authority over humanity, you know.

 

Karen: One of the sad things that I just saw recently was how some young girls who had been subjected to MK Ultra, testified in Congress (Wow!) and this was a while ago and the Congress just took the information in and didn’t do anything with it. So these were young people whose lives had just been totally demolished. They became sex slaves. And they risked everything to tell people about their horrible experiences and the Congress just took that information and didn’t act on it. They didn’t protect them, nothing. So as far as I was concerned they were victimized twice. The first time as MK Ultra victims, and the second time as just having risked everything to make it possible for Congress to do something and Congress did nothing.

 

Alexandra: And what is that telling us? That is telling us that we have to take our power back and stop depending on institutions that are not out there for our best interests. This is why I am speaking to you today.

 

You know, I wanted to ask you, you mentioned a little while ago the SDRs.

 

Karen: Yes.

 

Alexandra: And I wanted to know a little bit more about that. There are some questions coming in regarding that. Many people are asking, here’s one question – ‘I’ve read that the global currency reset is a quote/unquote ‘basket of currencies’ and apparently along with it are SDRs. What is your knowledge and opinion on this and why is it said that concept is a Cabal creation.

 

Karen: This is what the Cabal wants. That is why they are weakening the dollar, and it’s not in the cards. It’s not happening.

 

Alexandra: Good.

 

Karen: Ja? This is the agenda of those people who want to bring the United States down. But they’re not getting away with it. It’s not happening.

 

Alexandra: Now do you feel that there will be a need for a new president in order to bring the change of this new financial system forward?

 

Karen: The reason that I am hesitating is because of who our Vice-President is. Biden is not going to be any improvement.

 

Alexandra: No.

 

Karen: Ja? So we’re going to have to try to figure out how to negotiate ourselves through – you know – it’s kind of like you’re in a canoe and going over the whitewater. I’m not going to, I mean we’re all in this canoe together, I don’t want to be distracting ourselves and hitting rocks. I don’t know the answer to that question. But I do know this – that in the election when we had the debate – it used to be that the debate was run by the League of Women Voters. No, now they’ve got a Presidential Debate Commission and they’re there to make sure that there’s no real debate. I went to NBC and I said there is World Corruption and I want you to ask a question about this World Corruption. No, they didn’t ask that question. And Mitt Romney had as his national transition planning chief Robert Zoellick, who was the President of the World Bank who was not given a second term because of his complicity with all this corruption. So you know, we’re not going to have some ready solutions. We’re all just going to have to work together and keep our eye on the ball as we go forward.

 

Alexandra: I was going to ask you Karen, how can the person who is listening to you right now – how can they help you? How can they help you with your cause to bring this about?

 

Karen: The very first thing is to get yourself organized with your family and your community so that you’re plugged in. You do not want to be doing this as an individual, because you’re not going to be effective, you’re not going to be able to sort through all the information that is coming down the pike. As I said, you can not just turn on your TV and expect you to be informed. It’s hard work to stay on top of this. Now you can follow me on twitter, which is great. I would love to say just follow me and I’ll lead you in the right place and we’ll all be there together, but that’s not the answer. I’m just one of a group sorting through this very complex system and the best thing you can do is to keep yourself informed and protect all the whistleblowers, be critical to figure out if they are really a whistleblower or not. Just put your thinking cap on is the easiest way to answer.

 

But you can certainly tell your County Executive that you heard about this corruption I was reporting and you want something to be done about this before the world goes to hell in a hand basket. And we need to do what John F. Kennedy was doing, that’s the very first thing, we have to have dollars issued by the US Treasury backed by the gold, the thing J.F. Kennedy had lined up for us. And if we get that, believe me, we’ll be well on our way. That’s the simple thing. We have a wonderful ready solution that John F. Kennedy had lined up for us and that’s why he was killed because we were taking back our strength from the Jesuits.

 

Alexandra: Do you agree that the bankers are running scared now that because of all the multitude of lawsuits and the amount of the exposure that has come about regarding Libor and fraud and etcetera?

 

Karen: No, no. Because the courts are totally, totally, totally corrupt. And we’ve got to do first things first. We’ve got to focus now on getting clean, good currency because if we don’t do that soon we won’t ever be able to do it and we’ll go into the Dark Ages. Keep our eye on the ball. Let’s not get distracted by chasing after bankers. We can go after them when we are able to feed our ourselves and our families.

 

Alexandra: Interesting. That’s the number one goal – just to get the gold.

 

Karen: To get the dollars. He printed them. [JFK] They’re in a bank. They are uncut. They just have to be taken out and cut – and you know that’s not the gold, it’s the Treasury dollars. Then we can mint the gold and have that serve us as our currency. But there will be other currencies. There is something called legal tender law which says that only the Federal Reserve note is legal. No, we need to be allowed to have local jurisdictions, have their own local currency, that way we have full employment. That’s something that an economist named Silvia Gesell came up with. So there are so many things that we can do to have a strong country and strong economy and we can do those things.

 

We are going to come out of this thing. I think the chance that we are going to come out of this much better than we came into it are 90-95%. I believe in the accuracy of that power transition model. I think humanity will be working together to get things straightened out. And then, just stay tuned. Be a citizen, which means inform yourself and stay involved. And act on the local level. Right now immediately you can go to your County Executive – my County Executive is the President of the County Executives of America. He was elected in July because a group of people had gone to the County Executives of America and they said we need to get our counties to weigh in with our governors to get this terrible corruption straightened out. So we’ve got existing institutions that we can use and we should use them. I’m not saying don’t change things. I’m just saying that what we have is serviceable enough so that we can get ourselves turned around.

 

Alexandra: I agree too. I think it’s a very exciting time to be alive. And we are going back to the old ways if we want to bring this about. And one of them is to go at the local level. Those of you who are out there who are apprehensive about taking this on by yourself, form a group. Form a Meet-Up group. And make a decision as to who you want to voice an opinion to. Because we are the ones that have the numbers, not the elite. And we have the power. And we are starting to wake up. You know as they say, the sleeping giant is starting to wake up.

 

So Karen, here’s a question. You mentioned that we just need to get the currency out and then mint the gold, right?

 

Karen: Yes.

 

Alexandra: So what is the next step in doing that?

 

Karen: Get me back into the World Bank.

 

Alexandra: (Laughs) You go girl! I love it!

 

Karen: The 188 Ministers of Finance – I bought a World Bank bond and they settled my lawsuit.

 

Alexandra: Wow!

 

Karen: The only thing keeping me from walking back into the door is the security firm named Allied and Barton that is owned by that network of control. And there is another firm that is waiting in the wings to take their place. So we are not that far away from it.

 

Alexandra: Interesting. When that firm takes their place there’s a little more flexibility then.

 

Karen: It’s not flexibility. I just walk back in the door. That security guard firm is not letting me in the door.

 

Alexandra: I got it. Excellent. Hey, we’ll put it out there. We’ll put a request to the Universe. Let her in! (laughter)

 

Karen: Right. Me and all the other World Bank whistleblowers. You know, one person is not going to turn this around. You know we’re a feisty bunch. I said, if we go back in can we turn this thing around and they said, we sure can.

 

Alexandra: Oh my god. This is exciting. Well, we didn’t talk at all about the Federal Reserve. What state are they in at this point? I keep reading bits and pieces that they’re in a state of panic as well and I wondered what your opinion is about that.

 

Karen: Well, yes. It’s not the government of the United States – the Federal Reserve. It’s a private bank. It’s owned by this network of control and they are scrambling because this paper currency is not to going to continue. It’s starting to fray around the edges as we speak. They went out and made all these bad economic decisions and they’re stuck with them. They’re bankrupt. So you know, and to make matters worse for them, they’ve issued all these bonds so they know that they owe all this money that they don’t have. They are totally, totally bankrupt. And they also know that the word is out and people know what they really are. So they are not in a strong position whatsoever. Their currency is – I can provide you some links for you. This Quantative Easing was done deliberately to weaken the dollar because they thought that we would then agree that they would have something else. But we haven’t agreed. So they have nothing. Think of a chess game and they’ve been in checkmate for a while. That’s how the Federal Reserve is.

 

Alexandra: Do you actually feel that they are losing their stronghold in the BRICS nations? Is that pretty much been a – what would you say – I watch the BRICS nations with a lot of hope. So I’m just wondering if they have affected the Federal Reserve in any way, their Alliance?

 

Karen: Of course, they have. I said the dollar is not longer an unquestioned reserve currency.

 

Alexandra: Well, I don’t mean the obvious, I just mean the unobvious that we are not seeing behind closed doors. That you would have an intuition about because you’ve been with the World Bank.

 

Karen: The strongest place where they are hurting is – you know, an organization has got to project a sense of a future so that the people want to go there and place your faith in that organization. I would not be surprised if people are leaving that place in droves, ja? Because it doesn’t have a future. And it’s not going to have a future. It has NO FUTURE. The biggest challenge I see with the Federal Reserve is how to dismantle that place smoothly so we do not end up with – in economics there’s a term ‘the muliplier effect’ – there has to be time for people to leave that industry in a way that isn’t going to create – you know, if you just take away a lot of jobs all at once then it’s going to affect all of the other sectors. When a person gets a salary, then they spend it;  and if a person loses their job then they don’t spend it and those other industries – like they’re not going to restaurants, they’re not buying houses, so we have to find a way to dismantle the banking industry. We don’t need to have a banking industry like we’ve had, to create these terrible – it’s been there for control. And we don’t need that. People should have enough money, they should have saved money, so that they can go out and buy those houses they want. They shouldn’t have to have mortgages on houses.

 

Alexandra: That’s true.

 

Karen: There’s just so much dead weight in our economy because of all these banks that are there to control us. If we have a different way of – a different financial sector then we don’t need this kind of parasitical organization taking the lifeblood out of our economies. So the real challenge I see is how do we get from where we are and get people out of this parasitic industry. You need a certain number of -you know- you need people in the financial sector but you don’t need an army to control you – which is what the current financial sector has been. With a lot of huge salaries at the top! Where they’re owning industry, where the banks themselves have become investment entities. That’s because of the Glass-Steagall laws.

 

Alexandra: Yeah, I know, total collapse . . .

 

Karen: .  .  . were repealed. Not to go on and on. It’s not something that one individual is going to design. This is something that’s going to take some effort and it’s not going to happen at a central planning level either.

 

Alexandra: That was what I was going to ask you next. How do you see that unfolding. And you’ve also mentioned before about a specific set of protocols. Can you talk a little bit about that?

 

Karen:  I think probably the best way to describe it is, as we move away from this currency where you have to pay interest we’re not going to be spending all of our time generating tax money to send off to pay interest. And then people themselves at the local level are going to have start getting involved in how they want their communities to be run. It’s not going to be top-down, it’s going to be bottom-up. And when you’ve got currencies where you don’t have to pay interest you can see how that’s going to free the various communities up. Obviously, there’s going to be some retrofitting that’s going to happen between the States and the Federal government layers. That’s what the State of Georgia has already said. But it’s going to take many decades of careful thinking to figure out how it’s going to go in the future, ja? This isn’t something that one person is going to sit down and decide. This is something all of us we will be working on and our children will be working on.

 

Alexandra: Yeah, this is a huge undertaking. Because it’s impacting every person on the planet, that’s for sure. So at this point do you see any of the banks on the planet being – is there any bank out there right now that you feel that is stable, on a new path? There have been some rumors that quite a few banks are popping up with some of the new money. Can you talk a little about that?

 

Karen: Well, some people contacted me about a bank that the Lakota Indians had set up using gold as a reserve. And of course in the States you’ve got North Dakota has it’s own State Bank. But I don’t think we have all that many models that we can be happy with right now. I think we’re going to have to be working this out.

 

Alexandra:  Yes, that’s a good point. And this is the 64 million dollar question  – people are asking this all the time. What do you recommend, what are you doing with your family as far as protecting your assets at this point of time when the economy and the financial system are so on the edge of collapsing?

 

Karen: Well, I’ll tell you, this is a difficult thing to answer, because as a whistleblower, my family has been under attack. So my husband moved out in November. (Aww!) Aww, but you know, we celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary together, we had dinner, we’re good friends. He just didn’t like the fact that all the FBI agents were coming. I can’t blame the guy.

 

Alexandra: Well, you probably went from one radical experience in life to another, right?

 

Karen: Well, anyway. As far as investments, I think it is good to have some precious metals close to hand. Because although I say that things are going to move smoothly, that’s a wish. I don’t have any guarantees on that. So on the other hand, if everybody takes all their money out of their bank that’s going to create problems too.

 

Alexandra: Yes, big time. Here’s a question – have you heard about NESARA?

 

Karen: Oh I have, yeah.

 

Alexandra: OK, tell us a what you think about that. That’s a hot, hot topic.

 

Karen: I don’t give any credence to it.

 

Alexandra: None at all?

 

Karen: None whatsoever.

 

Alexandra: Bummer. Well, it’s got some really good postures to it though. I don’t know if you’ve read up on it.

 

Karen: I have, and this is about the farmer years ago, and bringing a case. Things that sound too good to be true, they’re not true.

 

Alexandra: Hmm. So what have you heard about OPPT?

 

Karen: That is pure, unadulterated BS. The problem that they describe is absolutely correct. But the solution is absolutely of no account. It’s a way of distracting people. Some of these people have actually extracted money from people. Because they thought this was going to help them, you know, and they’ve preyed off of these people. It’s really terrible.

 

Alexandra: So you feel the Cabal is behind the OPPT?

 

Karen: Yes. And one way you can find this out is, if you look at the stuff, the materials are all very, very slick and they use the same – the OPPT and the same ones who are talking about the Prosperity Accounts – they are using, for heaven’s sake, the same video artists.

 

Alexandra: So does that go for even the Hollow Earth Fund – there’s quite a few of them out there actually.

 

Karen: That’s just a way of trying to get people lined up with them, and support them – it’s a money grab. There’s nothing to them. They’re trying to steal the world’s gold and fund themselves. And they’re trying to get people to support them, so that they have a chance at it. It’s a scam.

 

Alexandra: Now, I really want to hear your opinion on Swiss Indo.

 

Karen: Scam.

 

Alexandra: Another one. So the descendents of King Solomon . . .

 

Karen: Yeah. This is another way of figuring out that the gold is real. Because these scam artists are trying to find a way to grab at it.

 

Alexandra: So all of these are an attempt to capture the gold.

 

Karen: That’s correct.

 

Alexandra: Wow. And have the whistleblowers actually chased that down all the way to the original source?

 

Karen: I’ve had people writing me telling me that this Swiss Indo fellow who says that he’s descended from King Solomon, you know, it’s just abysmal. They’re trying to get buy-in from people.

 

Alexandra: Now I did write down a report and I’m sure you’re going to be disgusted but I did write down a report and it says that Wolfgang Struck was supposedly a Senior CIA agent out of Germany linked with Keith Scott and they were associated with stealing the Collateral Accounts. Now what is your comment on that?

 

Karen: You should see the emails from Keith Scott I just saw. (laughter) Because Keith Scott was saying that the Collateral Accounts could not be released at this time. And Wolfgang just raked him over the coals.

 

Alexandra: Well, you know what, do me a favor and provide that link to me and I will put it up on my website.

 

Karen: OK. I can provide a lot of links to you. I don’t know if Wolfgang wants that last bit between (unclear).

 

Alexandra: You can send me whatever that you feel comfortable with. The more that we can educate people to see your point of view and to see the information that you’ve already worked on, the better.

 

Karen: Ja, I’ll send this interview to Wolfgang and let him hear it and maybe he’ll let us release that.

 

Alexandra: That would be great. You also mentioned something about the group of whistleblowers being all over the world, in the UK, Mexico, India and Ethopia. Do you find that this group is growing and if so is there a way to get in touch with you for those who really are starting to see some of the not so good goings-on within their own institutions they are working for.

 

Karen: They can always contact me. I’ve got a website with a contact page. Now the whistleblowers, many of them are in Washington still because they were at the World Bank. Some of them have gone home. But I’ve asked them whether some of them wanted to take a more public role and so far, Elaine is the only one who’s really been way out there with me.

 

Alexandra:  Yeah. A lot of people are just fascinated by the fact that you are so high profile. Have you had to really watch your security and safety since you have come out with all this information?

 

Karen: Ja, I have. That’s the way it’s been all along. I had to bring my car in, the axle was broken and I was driving around with a broken axle, and I said, ‘Does this model have broken axles? No, this is the first I’ve seen.’

 

Alexandra: Oh my god! (laughter)

 

Karen: Ja. Ja, so you just live with it.

 

Alexandra: That’s crazy. One other other thing I wanted to ask you. Tell me what is your perspective on the whole Bitcoin situation.

 

Karen: Ja. Look, there are a lot of scrip currencies. Just today someone was showing me a currency which is using gold bullion. I think you have to take all of this stuff with a grain of salt. The paper currencies are not to be with us for very long. And I don’t know if we’re going to be able to get the real currencies backed by gold to get out there in time. You don’t want to use Bitcoin like a bank account. Just imagine, if something happens and you forget your password or something. You can make payments with it, but the value of it is jumping all over the place. So you’ve got to let the ‘buyer beware.’

 

You haven’t mercifully asked me about the investment in Iraqi Dinar.

 

Alexandra: No, I haven’t asked you that.

 

Karen: Oh my god. I get more questions on that than anything else. I’m so tired of that discussion.

 

Alexandra: Well, since you brought it up, Karen . . .

 

Karen: I think it’s a scam, unfortunately. I know a lot of people who didn’t have a lot of money to invest did that. And now they’re in hot water. You just have to be careful about what you do. I think, for example, if you want to buy some silver coins, do it from a reputable dealer.

 

Alexandra: I’m going to change the direction of where we’re going before I let you go. And I just want you to talk a little bit more about more about the power transitional model. And to try to explain to the people why this has credence and why you feel so optimistic that this is the change that is taking place on the planet.

 

Karen: Oh bless you Alexandra, for that question. That’s my favorite question.

 

Alexandra: Good. I didn’t know that, folks. (laughter)

 

Karen: OK. What is that? I could explain it this way. Before I went to the World Bank I worked for the US Export-Import Bank. And there was a flight simulator. And what happened at the Export-Import Bank was, a guy from Ecuador kept flunking the flight pilot simulator test. And he thought the problem was that it wasn’t a good simulator. So he got into a real airplane and he was a Senior Member of the Air Force and he ordered the pilot to let him fly the real plane and he did in reality what he did with the flight simulator, he crashed the plane.

 

The power transitional model is a simulator. Of course, if you give it the wrong information, then it’s not going to simulate very much. It’s garbage in, garbage out. But if you have a good understanding of the situation then that model is 90-95% accurate. And they have tested it – there’s an article I can show everybody, where they’re talking about how the experience is. This model came out of the Defense Department, but it was put together by a political scientist and whenever there was a disagreement between an intelligence analyst and the model, the model won hands down. And the way that they explain it is, when people are trying to predict what is going to happen in the future, the analysts would say what is happening today is going to be like what happens tomorrow.

 

But what this model does is, it predicts where the coalitions will form.  So what is the information you’re supposed to feed into the model? You’re supposed to look at any given problem, and you’re supposed to say how powerful are the groups that – they call it ‘stakeholders’ – the groups that have an influence on the problem. How powerful are those groups, where do they stand on the problem, and you also have to figure out how important that issue is to them. For example, you could have say, a President of the United States, they are very powerful but they have so much going on their plate that an issue is not going to get their attention, so you also have to try to figure out how much important that issue is to them.

 

Anyway, what you do is, you come up with numbers. And you put those numbers in the model and the model crunches them. So I did a model of Rule of Law at the World Bank and you can see the numbers I came up with as far as the relative strengths of the different countries, I used their voting power inside the organization because that’s weighted by the size of their economy. And then I had to say where do they stand on Rule of Law, you can see what I thought, and one of the mistakes I made was, I gave a positive role to the media. I didn’t understand that the media was owned by the Cabal and they didn’t want to give the true news to people – they’d do a cover-up. So I made a mistake on that.

 

But at the same time I did my estimate of the model, Jacek Kugler had published an article in 2004 about where the world was going in a power transition from East to West. And what he wrote was that the Germans played a very important role, and the relationship between the United States and Germany was vital. And because Germany and the United States were disagreeing this was what was opening up the opportunity for China. And Russia and actually, Japan, and all of those countries were part of the West and it was very important for the United States to work together as with its allies and not lose them.

 

And so there was a problem at the World Bank with Paul Wolfowitz. He was blackmailing the members of the Board. Do you remember what happened with Eliot Spitzer? When Eliot Spitzer lost the Governorship of New York because he went to the New York madam? Well, they were blackmailing the members of the Board of the World Bank who patronized the New York madam to trying to prevent them from firing Paul Wolfowitz. And I found out about it because I speak Dutch and it was Herman Wijffels who represented the Dutch government on the Board who was leading in the effort to fire Paul Wolfowitz. And so Herman Wijffels went public in Dutch. And because I speak Dutch I saw that the US was blackmailing the Executive Directors. So I went back to the United States, you know, I just happened to be there when that story broke and I said, you can not be blackmailing the Executive Directors, because we are about to lose the Gentlemen’s Agreement and that is only going to make it worse. And of course, that is exactly what happened.

 

So getting back to the power transition model, it predicts where the coalitions will form. And the basic point is, if the United States focuses on keeping it’s allies happy then China doesn’t come up way fast, China will come up in a century. But what has happened, is that the United States, the Federal Reserve, is not giving Germany it’s gold back. That’s an Act of War. And Germany helicopter-buzzed the US Consulate in Frankfurt. And I went back to the Department of Defense and I said, ‘we are losing all of our allies.’ This is what the model predicts. Because we have the Federal Reserve there, we’re doing what the Vatican wants us to do. The Vatican owns the Federal Reserve, that’s what that is. The Federal Reserve is just part and parcel of the network of control that’s being exerted by the Vatican. And I say the Vatican but it is really just the Jesuits. And by saying the Jesuits, the Jesuits are actually acting for the homo capensis. That’s why they are doing all these terrible things with Fukushima, and with the Chemtrails, and with the MK Ultra mind control. What you’ve got is you’ve got the very corrupt layers of humanity are betraying humanity.

 

Alexandra: And the corrupt layers of humanity are betrayed by the homo capensis. If you think about it.

 

Karen: Well, homo capensis has the interest of it’s race, I’m sorry, it’s species, it’s not a race, we’re talking about a different species. They’re so different that when they try to have offspring with homo sapiens the offspring is not fertile. There’s been an analysis of their DNA; their offspring is not viable because there’s been so much interbreeding because there weren’t so many of them left after the Ice Age.

 

Alexandra: Are you aware of how many of them are left now – how big is the species on the planet?

 

Karen: Well, I do know that they’re still very much there and running around. Some guy in Portugal wrote and said he saw them at meeting of bankers and Ed Spencer is in touch with someone who was in Egypt and saw them running around in Egypt. So they are out and running around.

 

Alexandra: It’s very interesting I just blogged literally a couple of days ago, I blogged a very interesting post that came across my desk. Over 300 elongated skulls were found in Paracas.

 

Karen: Yes, that’s the species.

 

Alexandra: OK, wow.

 

Karen: And there’s a lot of disinformation. Some people say it’s the binding, it’s not the skulls are bigger. But no. When the DNA analysis came back it’s a different species.

 

Alexandra: And this is going back more than 6000 years ago, right?

 

Karen: It’s going back to the previous Ice Age.

 

Alexandra: To the Ice Age, OK.

 

Karen: And don’t forget. I didn’t tell you about the map. There’s a map that comes from the previous Ice Age. It shows how Antartica the landmass before the ice froze, what it’s contours are. And now they can use radar to find out how the coastline – they can see that that map which was done before the Ice Age has an accurate portrayal of the coastline. And if you look the level of water has risen 400 meters. So there are buildings right off the coast of the different continents that shows what that civilizations’ buildings looked like. And there were a lot of them in South Africa. Which is, of course, where humanity started. When you go back at the DNA that’s where humanity was. Humanity was probably imprisoned and kept like cattle and there was some way we escaped, somehow we got out.

 

Alexandra: This is fascinating. Could you forward that link over to me?  The map? I’d love to see the map.

 

Karen: Ja, ja. What I will forward to you is the letter that Ed wrote to the US military which has all the sources that I’m citing.

 

Alexandra: I’m really glad that you brought this out because it’s just once again connecting the dots. Everybody is very aware of another presence on this planet whatever you want call it. But this just ties it all in. And one of the things that people are so astonished with, is how can this faction, this group of beings be so ruthless and un-heart-felt and they’re not human. They’re not human. I say that all the time.

 

Well Karen, it’s been a pleasure to interview today. And I appreciate you canvassing so many different questions with me.

 

Karen: I enjoyed your questions, Alexandra. I thank you for having me on.

 

Alexandra: You’re welcome, you’re welcome. I hope we’ll have you on again with really good news that we’ve got you back in the World Bank and the power of the people and the gold back. Would that not be the most incredible day of our lives?

 

Karen: That would be great!

 

Alexandra: Yes, it would.

 

Karen: I think we are on track for it, actually.

 

Alexandra: I do too. I definitely do. And I want to remind everybody to please support Karen Hudes’ work. Please visit her website at http://www.kahudes.net/. And Karen, do you want them to check any other links before I let you go.

 

Karen: I’ll send them to you and you can follow me at Twitter as well @karenhudes.

 

Alexandra: Sounds awesome. I want to thank you again. And I thank everybody for listening, and like you said, put your thinking cap on, start getting active, get off the couch, we need you guys to be active. This is the time to take our world back. We are One and We Can Do This. And We ARE Doing This. So Don’t Lose The Faith.

 

So blessings everybody. I love you all. And you guys take care. Have a great afternoon Karen.

 

Karen: Thank you.

 

Alexandra: Thank YOU.

 

 

 

 

fKaren Hudes and Alexandra Meadors, February 25, 2014

 

http://www.bbsradio.com/content/episode-karen-hudes-lets-get-gold-hands-people-2014-02-25-150000

 

 

Alexandra: Good afternoon everyone. This is Alexandra Meadors of Galactic Connection.com. And today is February 25, 2014 for my regular 4:00 pm BBS Radio Show. Today I have with me a guest which many of you have heard of and it is Karen Hudes. Karen Hudes has been really getting around the Alternative Media circuit these days, really trying to get out the word to all of us and trying to assist us to free the planet from financial tyranny which enslaves humanity. She’s a major proponent of getting the world’s gold back to the rightful owners – which is the people – not the Jesuits. And she has a fabulous background. Karen studied law at Yale Law School and economics at the University of Amsterdam. She has also worked at the Export-Import Bank of the United States from 1980-1985, and then went on to Legal Department of the World Bank from 1986-2007. And in 2007 she actually warned the US Treasury Department and the Congress that the US would lose it’s right to appoint the President of the World Bank, and she was right. And in 1999 she reported the corrupt take-over of the second largest bank in the Philippines. And it was because of this that she was reprimanded and placed on probation and then ultimately fired and in contempt of Congress. So that is a little bit background for Karen and I’m so excited Karen to be interviewing you today. I have so many good questions for you and as does some of my audience.

 

So welcome, and thank you for coming on with me today.

 

Karen Hudes: Oh thank you so much for inviting me, Alexandra. I’m really excited about this interview.

 

Alexandra: Good! I am too. My heart is with you, because I feel the passion in your heart. I feel the sincerity of what you are trying to accomplish. And I think that the first thing I want to ask you right off the bat is, can you elucidate for all of us what is truly behind all the bankers so-called suicides.

 

Karen: I can tell you what I’ve heard.

 

Alexandra: OK, great.

 

Karen: I don’t have any direct first-hand information so I’m pretty much extropolating from my experience. And what I’ve heard is, first of all, many of these bankers do know each other. Quite a few of them are coming from J.P. Morgan and what I had read on a website that tends to have pretty accurate financial information is that the corruption that they were about to expose had to do with the Vatican. And that is, of course, where a lot of this corruption is emanating from. So that sounds pretty plausible.

 

Alexandra: Yeah. I also read that it had something to do with reaping huge tax benefits from life insurance policies on the workers. Do you feel that is accurate?

 

Karen: You know, I’m hearing that from you now for the first time.

 

Alexandra: Well it really is shocking to many of us, because so many of them were in the late 20s and early 30s and suddenly having a heart attack. And many of us are aware of the deathray guns used on people that they suddenly have a heart attack and keel over and die, if they want to get rid of somebody. So I was curious if you heard anything about it.

 

But with no more prolonging getting into the meat and the potatoes, I want to ask you a little more about the gold situation. There is an intense amount of controversy and confusion on who literally owns the gold. And what I mean by that, is who is in control of the Collateral Accounts? There are many players on the stage, you’ve got Keenan, you’ve got some comments from Fulford, you know, I could go on and on, and I’m curious what your position regarding this.

 

Karen: Yes. Well, I’m glad we’re not debating about the amount of the gold, because that is where a lot of people start. We seem to be in agreement that there is a huge amount of gold. I can tell you, I didn’t know anything about this when I was in the World Bank Legal Department because this gold is cloaked in secrecy. I just found out about it because as I’ve gotten more and more exposure people have materialized out of the woodwork. And some of these people who are coming out of the woodwork are coming out with disinformation. So I’m working with a group of whistleblowers and that group is growing as we continue to work and we work together. It’s a loose network and what happens, and this has happened frequently actually, is that somebody who is a whistleblower will come to the group and then they will be susceptible to any of the things, they will either be rewarded, or they’ll be threatened, and then all of a sudden instead of working with the group, they will work against the group. And usually, the first time I’ll be kind of cautious, I’ll start being cautious, and the second time I’m just not going to run a risk. Even if there is a good explanation, I just can not take a risk of getting derailed. So that’s how it works with our group of whistleblowers.

 

So going back to Neil Keenan and Ben Fulford. I start out believing that whoever comes to me is on the up and up and it’s only after I discover through one thing or another that I will then distance myself from them. And that is true of both of these individuals. I would not work with either of them. I do not believe that they are working to improve the situation. (OK)  I’ve been threatened to be sued, so I’m not going to elaborate any more.

 

Alexandra: Sure, I understand. In fact, I’m really glad that that’s clear because are you familiar with David Crayford?

 

Karen: Yes I am, as a matter of fact. We’ve just – there’s a fellow who I’ve been working very closely with. His name is Wolfgang Struck.

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: Wolfgang is a German banker and lawyer who has been living in the Philipines for twenty years and he contacted me and we have started to really work together. He’s authorized to sign for the Global Collateral Accounts. So let me explain for a minute what these accounts are.

 

Alexandra: I would love to have you go into that and also clarify how he came into that position.

 

Karen: Right. I’ve just recently put a lot of the documentation up on the internet because he has given that to me and he asked me to do that for him. And going back to the issue of who is David Crayford. David Crayford has gotten into a debate with Wolfgang. I started out in this debate because there is this website that he’s the editor of. And after he pulled a fast one on me, what David Crayford did was – I put a link with some documents where people who were going to the site could evaluate the information I was giving and he broke the link. (Hmmm) And then I went back to him and I confronted him with what he had done and he didn’t even admit that he had done that, when it was perfectly obvious. And I said, you know what, I’m not going to be debating you on your website, I’m finished with you.

 

And Wolfgang was still involved in the debate with David Crayford. Then Wolfgang got frustrated, and now we’re just putting the information up in other places. But certainly, not at that website.

 

Alexandra: Well good for you. That website you are referring to –

 

Karen: It’s Rumor Mill News, that’s the website.

 

Alexandra: It’s well-known for being infiltrated by not such positive factions.

 

Karen: Well, we learned the hard way, but I start out by giving people the benefit of the doubt, and the good thing about that approach is that’s very advantageous too, because, you know what they say, about knowing your enemy and keeping your enemy close to you. Well, that way you get a sense who they are and where they’re coming from and what kind of disinformation there is, so you can recognize other factions later.

 

Alexandra: Perfect. Because that is what all of us need to be learning. I believe that that website puts out a tremendous amount of phenomenal information. But it’s just like anything else, there are a lot of disinfo agents out there that that’s what they do for a living, is try to slam the lightworkers or the whistleblowers or the people that are trying to get the word out or the truth out. So it’s become so much more difficult for all of us who are seeking out truth to really distinguish what is true and what is not.

 

Karen: Especially for people who don’t come at the problem from the inside or from a piece of the information. For people who do not know what my background is, I was a member of the Legal Department of the World Bank for twenty years. And in addition to being a lawyer, I am also a Development Economist. I studied Development Economics at the University of Amsterdam. I studied law at Yale Law School. I’m an American but I studied in Holland because during the Vietnam War I left the country. I was just looking for an another country. And Amsterdam was not a bad place to be. And certainly, if you want to learn about Development Economics the University of Amsterdam is a fabulous place.

 

I realized that if you wanted to work on Development Economics, you have to find out what was going with in the Developed World. Because it wasn’t just – you knew there was colonialism, you knew there was exploitation, and so you wanted to go back to the First World and find out how to get that bad arrangement somehow shifted. So that’s one of the reasons I went back. Also I felt also that, being admitted to Yale Law School, that credential was going to be useful. And it’s funny, that actually at this point of time, it’s more harm than good. Whereas the Economics from the University of Amsterdam is becoming increasingly more important and that’s especially because of what is going with currency. And people should recognize – I just had an interview with an Hungarian monetary economist named, Antal Fekete, who is the world expert on gold. He is the one who when South Africa celebrated 100 year anniversary of discovering gold at Witwatersrand, they invited Antal Fekete to give the keynote address.

 

Anyway, according to Antal, we are now at a cliff which is the same kind of cliff that we were at in the 300s just before we went into the Dark Ages. Because gold is about to go into hiding. All of the currencies, the paper currencies are about to collapse. And it’s very, very dramatic. And as Antal mentions this, you know what the signs are and you can actually measure it now because we have futures markets. So if the price of gold in the future is less than the price of gold for immediate delivery that shows you that people are starting to hoard gold, that they think that the paper currencies, they have lost their confidence in paper currencies. There’s another indicator and that is, the Central Banks lease their gold, but at a certain point in time they are afraid that at the end of the lease term the party will renege, and instead of giving back the gold they’ll just cash it out. So it gets too expensive to lease the gold anymore. So the Central Banks stopped leasing gold back in July, and we’ve been in gold backwardation now for more than a year. So as Antal Fekete characterizes this, we’re on Red Alert for all the paper currencies crashing. And this makes perfect sense. When you think about it, paper currency is just paper, and if you don’t have confidence in it then it starts to get more and more iffy.

 

And of course, with what’s been going on with something they call Quantitative Easing, that’s – the thing about lawyers and some economists is, they like to use fancy words to make people think that they have no right to get involved in the issue. They try to scare people away from trying to figure out what is going on. And you can’t allow yourself to be intimidated by this kind of trick – it’s just a trick.

 

So what I’m saying now is Quantitative Easing is a lie, it’s just a word for running the printing presses to deliberately crash the dollar. And why you would ask yourself, why would someone want to deliberately crash the dollar? It’s because they want to dismantle the economic and military strength of the United States. It’s a sabotage.

 

I asked the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey on December 2nd, when he had a Town Hall Meeting, I asked him why he was trying to deliberately crash the dollar, because we have an offer in the United States to do exactly what John F. Kennedy had accomplished ten days before his assassination. John F. Kennedy had signed something called the Green Hilton, as in ‘Hilton Hotel,’ the Green Hilton Agreement. What John F. Kennedy had done was to arrange for gold in the Collateral Account to be used to underpin dollars to be issued directly by United States Treasury, not the Federal Reserve. What happens with the Federal Reserve, when the Federal Reserve prints money, is first the Treasury Department sends – it’s called a promissary note, ‘we the United States citizens promise to repay this money that we are borrowing, we are going to repay it with a certain amount of interest on it.’ And what’s really fascinating is that money didn’t exist before. It’s being created by the printing presses. Now how does the Federal Reserve have the right to print the money and get interest on it? This is just a scam!

 

Alexandra: Well, not only that, it’s foreign corporations that are making money off of us printing money within our own country. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

Karen: No, the only ones that it makes sense for is the bankers. When you go back through history, you find out that there were presidents who were assassinated for trying to take back the right to print the dollar by the Treasury Department. Abraham Lincoln was one of those presidents with the Green Backs. Andrew Jackson was nearly assassinated but they missed him and he did succeed actually for a time in getting the US to print it’s own currency. But what’s been going on is that there’s a group right at the center of the world financial system. That group has been there since before the previous Ice Age only we didn’t know about them.

 

Alexandra: So Karen, back up a second. You made a very interesting statement that they started leasing the gold in July of last year, why then?

 

Karen: The reason why is because people started losing confidence, it’s a market thing.

 

Alexandra: OK.

 

Karen: The cost of the lease was too high. You would have to price the amount of  penalty at the end of the lease, if you don’t return the gold, that penalty was too high because people were starting to keep the gold and hoard it. The risk got to be too high. It’s just a matter of pricing the risk. (OK) And the reason why it had got riskier and riskier is because of this Quantitative Easing, which is printing dollars with no backing. The dollars are losing their credibility. We’re losing confidence in them.

 

Alexandra: I like the fact that you made that specifically clear because it isn’t about them losing value, they are value-less, it’s because they have lost the confidence of the people. So you also said something – how we weren’t going to argue about the amount of the gold. And I have it listed here below that you spoke about – Geez, there’s a lot – 170,500 –

 

Karen: That’s just the US’s share.

 

Alexandra: That’s the United States, and then 130,500 in Hawaii and Hong Kong, 150,000 in Singapore, 120,000 in Japan, 100,000 in US banks, 130,000 in Thailand, and I guess what my question to you is, you also mention something about the gold versus the unregistered gold. Is this the reason why there is so much speculation about what the true amount is?

 

Karen: When I said ‘unregistered,’ I don’t remember that word. I know some of the gold – most of it is in the Philippines. I think it is 600,000 metric tonnes in the Central Bank of the Philippines, and then there is another more than 100,000 that is buried in the Philippines. And then there is over 200,000 metric tonnes in the Union Bank of Switzerland, that’s just around the corner from the Vatican, ja, it’s all over the place, that gold. And who does it belong to? It belongs to humanity, it’s in one trust.

 

If you don’t know what a trust is I can explain that. That’s when somebody is taking care of something for somebody else. That’s a trust. There’s a legal form for doing that. The person who is supposed to be taking care of what’s in the trust is called the trustee. And the trustee is given the authority to act for the benefit of the people who are called the beneficiaries. That’s what a trust is. You take care of something for somebody else.

 

So the person who is taking care of the world’s gold for the world’s people is Wolfgang Struck. And he got to do this because that is what Ferdinand Marcos was doing, and just before Ferdinand Marcos died, he assigned the right to be the trustee on these Collateral Accounts, is what they are called. He assigned it to – Wolfgang was the lawyer and banker and there was a Philippino who’s also got that responsibility.

 

Alexandra: So what keeps Wolfgang alive and safe?

 

Karen: You know, he was very, very shy at the very beginning but he started getting the hang of it when he saw what was going on with me. It’s called hiding in plain light.

 

Alexandra: Yeah. This true. But that’s an incredible responsibility on only one person’s shoulders. But I do know that it’s so interesting Karen, because back in the late 90s I was aware of this, I was aware of the gold in the Philippines. I even saw pictures, and I had some secret meetings with people who had this information. I was just blown away.

 

Karen: I worked in the Philippines and I didn’t know about it. I was there in the late 1990s as well as the World Bank’s lawyer. And I got involved with – the President at the time was Joseph Estrada, who got impeached by the Chief Justice of the Philippine Supreme Court. I was working with Hilario Davide on a Judicial Reform project. So I was working in the Philippines for about three years and then I got reassigned because I started reporting the corruption there. And the people in the World Bank wanted me to just ignore it and I wouldn’t. So that was the beginning of the cover-up that I started reporting. So I didn’t know about the World Corruption I was looking at it from the point of view of a lawyer who’s working inside a bank and I was just following the rules for lawyers.

 

And the thing about the World Bank is, it’s right at the very center of the world’s financial system and so is it’s sister organization, called the International Monetary Fund. And it’s only now, that I found out that the World Bank and the IMF when they were created, they were created deliberately on that pile of gold, and they were given a function with that gold. But I didn’t learn about this until after Wolfgang showed me the documents.  But what I did know was that there was corruption and that the people who were buying World Bank bonds – as the World Bank sells bonds in the capital markets – and then they have to give accurate financial information. So when I got fired, illegally, I knew that if I bought a World Bank bond, I could sue the World Bank as a bond holder and the World Bank would not have any immunity as an international organization, because the World Bank has waived it’s immunity for bond holders.

 

I knew a lot of the tricks of an insider because one of the lawyers who was there when the World Bank was created in 1944 was a Dutch lawyer named Aaron Broches, and I got to know him when he was an old man.  And even before I went to the World Bank – because I always knew that I wanted to work at the World Bank – so he told me when Robert McNamara went to the World Bank as the World Bank President in 1968, that’s when the World Bank started to get corrupt. So I knew there was a problem and I also knew that the Legal Department was the very HEART of the World Bank because the way the World Bank works is, usually it used to have automatically a president appointed just by the President of the United States without any of the other countries having a say so. And the International Monetary Fund, across the street, the Managing Director of the IMF would be appointed by the Europeans without anybody else’s say so.

 

But that changed in 2010 and it was called The Gentlemen’s Agreement. The Gentlemen’s Agreement no longer exists. Now the countries who own the World Bank, there’s a 188 of them, they can decide who becomes the new president. So the current president, Jim Kim, had to compete with two other candidates because the Gentlemen’s Agreement ended. I warned the US Treasury Department that we were going to lose the Gentlemen’s Agreement. I warned them in 2007 based on an very accurate – it’s called game theory modeling – you use a computer to simulate how coalitions will form. And this model, I learned about it because there’s a political scientist named Jacek Kugler who came to the World Bank from the Department of Defense. He had developed this for the Department of Defense and he came to the World Bank and he said, You know, I’ve used a different formula, it works the same, but the Department of Defense has no right to this second model and I can use this model in a World Bank project.

 

So we used it in Ghana and then I asked Jacek if I could model the Rule of Law at the World Bank and Jacek said, ‘Sure,’ and I did. That’s why I could tell the Treasury Department that we modeled that in 2004 and then in 2007 when I saw that there was this corruption that wasn’t going to go away, I went to the Treasury Department and I went to the US Congress and you can see on my website the letters I was writing, warning about this. (Oh yeah.) And this model is in the Department of Defense. I spoke to Secretary Chuck Hagel about it when he was a Senator from Nebraska in 2008. So when he became Secretary of Defense, I went to the Inspector General of the Department of Defense and you know full well how accurate this model is – it is 90-95% accurate. We are on a collision course to World War III. First we’re going to have a currency war, unless we start playing by the rules.

 

And so I have been all over the Department of Defense since then. And where we are right now is, I understand that a lot of veterans – you know, I’m giving them the literature on this model – there’s a very good German journalist named Lars Schall and he wrote an article and in that article you can see links to this model and you can see descriptions of the experience and the track record of this model. And that’s one of the reasons why I’m very, very optimistic that we’re not going to go into permanent gold backwardation. Because this model started predicting when I got a statement up on the UK Parliament website, because there’s an English whistleblower from the World Bank named Elaine Coville, she is Scottish, and the two of us are just working as a dog and pony show and we’ve gotten actually three statements up on the UK Parliament website. The last one was in July. You can see what are statements are. The model, once we got our statements up on the UK Parliament website, this model is 90-95% accurate, it’s predicting there’s going to be an end to this corruption in the financial system. It’s predicting the gold is going to come out in the best good of humanity, and this 90-95% accurate. And I think this is also – I’m sharing this information with Wolfgang – and he is waiting for this model to work.

 

Alexandra: Well, I think that there are many of us that actually do believe that, especially coming from the spiritual community. I think I have a myriad of questions to ask you. Going back to the World Bank and the 188 countries that are members. Which countries are not members of the World Bank?

 

Karen: You go to the UN and I have been writing to all the UN missions – the New York missions to the UN – and if you line these up, you see which ones – North Korea is one,

 

Alexandra: I think it’s Iran, isn’t it?

 

Karen: Yes, that’s also one. There’s some others, some obscure islands. There’s just a handful. But most of the countries are members.

 

Alexandra: I was just curious about that. Also, what is your perspective on China’s up and coming supposedly 23 trillion dollar default that has begun. How is that impacting the US?

 

Karen: They’re defaulting on what? I’m sorry . . .

 

Alexandra: On the stocks. You know, as far as our debt . . .

 

Karen: You mean they’re selling the Treasuries they bought? Is that what you mean?

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: OK. That was an interesting story actually. CNN started running a story about that – maybe about a month ago. They said China was dumping it’s US Treasury and bills that it had. And it also said that China was preventing ships from sailing in their South Seas surrounding China. So what I did was, I went to all of the countries that are part of the UN Mission and I sent them an email and I explained how what was really going on was that this gold belongs to humanity and it needs to come out of hiding and that’s really the first order of business, and that everything else is just a distraction meant to take people away from this first order of business. The reason why it is the first order of business is because if we don’t have currency – think about how inter-connected the economies are, and we can’t pay for international trade, we can’t pay for medicine, think of how our goods are assembled from parts that come from abroad. You just can not end that trade overnight and have the economies continue to function, so what you would have is mass starvation. Not only that, but once you go into that situation, it’s kind of like a black hole. You have no equipment to get you out of it, you can’t dig your way out of it. That’s why the countries were in the Dark Ages for so long. It’s like all of the economies implode.

 

Alexandra: What kind of response did you get, after writing to all of the countries?

 

Karen: What happened, you’ll remember was, CNN the next day, it said it had been hacked. And I spoke with people and they said they’re familiar with the CNN news room, and there’s absolutely no way that that story could have been released by CNN through a hacker. They took it back. They took it back because they saw how people were reacting.

 

Alexandra: Oh god, that’s too funny.

 

Karen: Yeah. So that same situation is now actually going on because in Australia the Group of 20 is meeting and I have sent out a series of emails. First you can go on the web and you can see – somebody posted, I forgot the name of the blogger – it’s a JP somebody or other, I think it’s a pen name – has posted about what it is that the world currency should now be now instead of being backed by US dollars as the reserve currency, it should be backed by something called ‘special drawing rights’  from the International Monetary Fund.

 

Alexandra: Yes, the SDRs.

 

Karen: Now, what’s happening with the dollar, as the dollar weakens, is first of all Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, the BRICS countries, are no longer using dollars as the price for their international trade. They’re using off-sets and then if somebody owes money at the end of the day they’re going to settle it with gold. So in 25% of international trade the dollar is no longer the international reserve currency. This is something enormous.

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: And the other enormous development is the fact that there is a fourth credit rating agency which is owned by the Russians and the Chinese. It’s called the Universal Credit Rating Group. That group – China has already down-graded the US credit rating.

 

Alexandra: Now how does that affect us, the layman that is not heavily into the financial sector. Could you explain how that affects us and our economy, etcetera.

 

Karen: If we are paying interest on our debt and our credit rating deteriorates we have to pay more interest in order to borrow. People want to get a bigger return to cover the added risk of holding dollars. So it makes an enormous impact, an humongous impact.

 

Alexandra: Now are they planning on opening up additional credit rating agencies?

 

Karen: All you need is an other one because the three big credit rating agencies – Standard and Poor down-graded the US credit rating for the first time and then Eric Holder, the Attorney General, sued Standard and Poor over something else. And the lawyer who represented Standard and Poor said Eric Holder brought that lawsuit exactly at the same time that Standard and Poor lowered the US credit rating. So that doesn’t work if the credit rating agencies are being prevented from disseminating the correct information. That’s why you need a fourth one.

 

Alexandra: And an unbiased party, for sure

 

Karen: So the problem is, of course, the illegality that the World Bank whistleblowers have been reporting. I reported, I told you that I was in the country of the Philippines, I reported that there was a cover-up of corruption in the Philippines on a banking sector loan where the loan ended up with $900 million worth of problem. I can go in exactly how you get to $900 million worth of problem, but believe me it was not a successful project and the evaluation department lied to the Board of the World Bank and said that the World Bank could not have forseen that this outcome would have happened, so therefore the World Bank should not be given a bad grade for it’s role in supervising that project. And I wrote a memo saying that the Board had been misinformed, that’s a cover-up to the Board, and I was interviewed for the job of General Counsel at the World Bank. And during that interview, they said why is there such an turn over in the General Counsel job. I said, ‘That’s easy, it’s because the World Bank is not in compliance on the capital markets. That’s the technical word to say that the Board is not getting the information that it needs. Just remember Enron. When a Board is being duped, and it’s a financial entity, that is a huge problem.

 

And so the Executive Search Firm, that was Randall Reynolds, knew that they had to solve that problem. When a General Counsel says that the company, the financial company is out of compliance, if there’s a job search, for General Counsel, the World Bank – the client, has to be brought into compliance. That’s the job of the Executive Search Firm. So I kept asking for what was the information that the Executive Search Firm gave to the World Bank when I made that disclosure. I knew that there had to be consequences. So I went to the Treasury Department, I went up the corporate ladder to the Audit Committee, I went to the Treasury Department when that didn’t work. You can see in the chronology – I also testified to the European Parliament. And I gave the European Parliament that detailed chronology. The Legal Department of the European Parliament then went to the World Bank and I got correspondance documenting that. What I have is, I knew that when I had documented all of this and I had gone to such things as the European Parliament and the UK Parliament, I knew that things were going to resolve. There was no way for them not to resolve – well, there was one way for them not to resolve, and that was to end up in a currency war. I knew that civilization was in a fork in the road.

 

Alexandra: Yes, yes.

 

Karen: And I was at the very heart of that fork. And I was not going to let them take the wrong road. So you’ll see in a letter on my website, I went to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, because he’s also the Chair of something called the Judicial Conference. That’s the group who oversees the Federal Court System. And when that problem didn’t resolve, I knew that we had something called State Capture in the United States. That’s when the government is so corrupt that it cannot right itself. That’s like you’re in a boat, and the rudder is not working.

 

Alexandra: Which where we are now.

 

Karen: So I documented that and then I wrote a second stronger letter to – there’s the Judicial Conference, then there’s a Executive Committee of the Judicial Conference. So just before the Spring meetings in the World Bank in April of 2013, I went to the Chair of the Executive Committee, that’s Justice Traxler. And I said 188 Ministers of Finance are looking to see whether the Judiciary is going to pick the right fork on the road. They want to know where the United States is standing in this grave crisis. And that’s the letter that I just circulated with some other documentation to all of the countries whose missions are in the United Nations. And I said, ‘You people know that you are entitled to the gold, and you also know that the World Bank and the IMF are the ones to hand this out. Not the Group of 20, not the rich countries. All the countries of the world are entitled to a seat at the table when this gold is divvied up. So this Group of 20 – the meeting that they are having – has nothing to do with deciding what happens to the gold, ja?

 

Alexandra: Wow!

 

Karen: I put the brakes on Group of 20.

 

Alexandra: That’s awesome. And I commend you for that. I think the thing that is difficult for all of us that follow this, there are many out there who are following the progress of you and the other whistleblowers are making is we are still confused about who the players are. Who’s on the good team, who’s on the I-really-don’t-care-about-humanity team – I just want the gold for me. And I’ve had many, many people write to me, we have, for example, the White Dragon Society, I’ve heard there’s positive and negative to that, can you comment on that?

 

Karen: The White Dragon Society doesn’t exist. It’s just the Jesuits playing games, creating theatre.

 

Alexandra: That’s interesting. OK. What about the Prosperity Programs.

 

Karen: OK. Let me tell you about the International Court of Justice.

 

Alexandra: OK.

 

Karen: First let’s talk about where this gold came from.

 

Alexandra: Great!

 

Karen:  It started with the Pharoahs. It’s King Solomon’s gold. Then you’ve got the Incas and the Mayas and all the gold in Latin America that the Conquistadors got, and don’t forget the Philippines was Spain’s colony, ja?

 

Alexandra: Yeah. Right.

 

Karen: Then you then this guy Yamashita. Let me tell you about who Yamashita is, or was. Queen Victoria had a twin, Prince Tallano. And Prince Tallano was sent to the Philippines. And then he went around the world having affairs. So General Yamashita was the son of Prince Tallano and a Japanese woman. Adolf Hitler was the son of Prince Tallano with a German woman.

 

Alexandra: It doesn’t surprise me though.

 

Karen: OK. When General Yamashita went around before, you know, in the 30s just before World War II and he said, ‘You can’t hold onto your gold because it’s going to be looted in the coming up war and therefore we will give you a bond denominated in gold – it’s a certificate that says you’re going to get 4% interest and you’re going to get your gold back, but give us the gold for safe-keeping, ja? And they also they went to 66 countries and they took the gold of those countries, and gave them certificates.

 

Wolfgang Struck has 210 trillion dollars worth of gold certificates and having the right numbers. You can see pictures of the Federal Reserve box that those bonds were in, ja? Now that cancels the US debt, by the way.

 

Alexandra: Doesn’t that cancel a lot of other countries’ debt too?

 

Karen: Yes. Yes, yes. That’s why the bankers, of course, will not honor these bonds. They want to keep charging interest. They don’t want to say that they owe money. That’s why the whole world is net creditors.

 

Alexandra: But here’s my other question. If this whole financial situation is a farce to begin with, is the debt anything real that we have to hold ourselves accountable to?

 

Karen: Well, you do have to do the accounting. But then the question is, who does the accounting and is it reliable, ja?

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: Can it be done in a transparent way? Do we have the institutions and are we able after all this terrible corruption that has been going on for millennia, are we able to get ourselves straightened out and fly straight. That’s the question I have asked the World Bank whistleblowers. I say, if we got back inside the World Bank – they’re just wrapping their minds around the fact the World Bank has been sitting on all of this treasure, the world’s wealth. And just to give you a flavor of it – a month ago there were four paintings, one of them was by Monet of the Waterlilies, and Imelda Marcos’ maid had sold one of them for $34 million and she was convicted. Anyway, Wolfgang had me write a letter to the lawyers representing Imelda Marcos’ maid, I’ve forgotten her name, saying that this painting belongs in the Collateral Accounts, it belongs to humanity.

 

Alexandra: Very interesting. Do you feel that the ultimate core reason that we went into World War II was about the gold?

 

Karen: No. We went into all of the world wars because the bankers wanted to keep humanity in debt and paying interest to them. And also keeping people divided and conquer.

 

Alexandra: Yes, they’re really good at that.

 

Karen: Ja. So that’s what we’re seeing now with the Ukraine. It’s a way of, instead of allowing us to focus on us getting our act together before gold goes into permanent gold backwardation, they want us to be distracted with all of these things. It’s like a 3-ring circus.

 

Alexandra: You mentioned that it was definitely confirmed that the Chinese and the Russian Military were working with the US Military to dethrone this elite group . . . Do you think that is still very much . . .

 

Karen: Well, let me tell how that works. So don’t forget that you’ve got a few of these – I call them gate-keepers. You’ve got the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff – I’ve had two people write me that that he’s a Knight of Malta. Your listeners know what a Knight of Malta is, don’t they?

 

Alexandra: Yes, oh yes.

 

Karen: OK. So then, in the military, there’s the Inspector General. I’ve written to him because, you know of course, what happened on October 8th, when there was a nuclear bomb that was detonated off the coast of Charleston 600 miles off the coast. And the reason it didn’t go off over the citizens of Charleston, was because of two heroes. (Yes) There’s Major General Michael Carey who was Commander of the 20th Air Force and also Vice Admiral Tim Giardina.

 

Alexandra: I think there was a total of 22 of them who got canned, right?

 

Karen: It’s gotten up to 200 of them as far as I know. (Wow) I wrote to the Inspector General and I said, ‘You know, the pretext for firing these commanders do not comply with the personnel policies. And that’s your job to make sure that things are done correctly.’ They’re not being done correctly. You’ve got these people in the very important key positions that are traitors that are dismantling the army and the navy. But it’s in plain view. So that’s where people have to make it clear that they find this totally unacceptable. Why would the United States allow their military to be dismantled. How can we be a strong country with these traitors in those key positions, that are acting at the behest of the Jesuits. We can’t accept this.

 

Alexandra: Well, Karen that’s true, but at the same time because of the amount of disinformation out there, people don’t know who is on their team and who is not on their team.

 

Karen: So to answer your question, Alexandra, about are the militaries working together, yes, but you’ve got these traitors so what can you say about the US Military. Because of course, they’re supposed to follow the senior commanders. But one of the interesting articles that I read is that you’ve got some of the mid-level brass who are fearing for their lives because, you’ve heard of ‘friendly fire.’

 

Alexandra: Yes.

 

Karen: These guys, if they’re not loyal to the military, the troops are taking them out.

 

Alexandra: Wow!

 

Karen: So you’ve got a military where it’s pretty clear that the military at the bottom is not following the military brass which are the traitors and the ones in the middle, the mid-level officers are getting in the cross-fire. So that’s what you have.

 

Alexandra: What a mess.

 

Karen: No, I’d much rather have this than have people just following the traitors off the cliff. Humanity is no longer acting like a lemming. This is good.

 

Alexandra: No, it is good. I think there are some phenomenal groups stepping forward from the Saudi War that are really – they’ve thrown their medals aside, and they’re saying, ‘I didn’t go into the military to fight for one specific faction and shoot at my own family and citizenry.

 

Karen: I’m trying to remember and I really should remember this – the football player – is it Trilling? [Pat Tillman]

 

Alexandra: I think I know who you are talking about.

 

Karen: The football player who was going to come back home and tell people what was really going on in Afghanistan, when what we’re doing is, we we’re raising poppies for the drugs. That’s what we were doing in Afghanistan.

 

Alexandra: Yup, heroin. Well, according to some of the people who I interview, one of the major ways that the Cabal has of getting money is through the drug trade. And that’s one of the most active sectors of the resistance – to shut that down.

 

Karen: I’m sorry to tell you that it is much deeper than that. Because we are sending our tax dollars to the City of London and the Vatican. That drug money is running our government.

 

Alexandra: Yes, unfortunately. I agree with you. I totally agree.

 

Karen: So it’s not just drug money just for a few bribes here and there. It’s the bread and the butter of our budget.

 

Alexandra: So where do we go from here, Karen? I want to ask you, if we go over time do you have more time?

 

Karen: Sure.

 

Alexandra: OK. What I can do is split this into components on the website. Because there’s so much to cover. People have been waiting for this interview, by the way. Several people have been writing in to me.

 

Where do we go from here? You have talked many times about this group of whistleblowers. Many people have asked me why are you all not united and maybe have a name something so all of us can contribute, and give ideas and give support and maybe even some funding or whatever.

 

Karen: Just think about it. (OK) Think about the personal risk. Think about what it’s going to do to lives of the families of these people. I’m just amazed that there is anybody that’s willing to do this publically, frankly.

 

Alexandra: Yeah.

 

Karen: I’m amazed that we all are in contact with each other. So, you have to take it as it is. And believe me and we are not far from going back into the World Bank and distributing the world’s gold, I personally believe that. And you will see who these people are. They took a very vocal, up-front place at the World Bank when they were discharged for pointing out the fraud and the bad accounting. So they are reliable people and I would have never been able to manage without the information they were feeding me. So I would be at the my desk and somebody would call up and say, ‘Karen, you’ve got to go to this hearing in Congress and I’d jump into my car and go there. So we’ve been working as a tag team to get things to where they are now. It’s amazing that we were able to hold it together this long.

 

Alexandra: Do you feel that you’re able to hold these main players accountable because of the legal system that they themselves use? Is that the primary component that is kind of keeping their hand to the fire?

 

Karen: What is keeping them to the fire is that everybody is really doing their jobs. So for example, if you read that book by – I called him Michael O’Bannon – it’s really Robert O’Bannon – he’s an ex-Marine who wrote a book and he’s the one who said that the military are working together, and that is absolutely true but it’s not like you would go to the Secretary of Defense and, ‘OK Secretary Hagel, I see that you are working together with the Chinese and the Russians.’ No, he would not say that.

 

Alexandra: No.

 

Karen: And if you read what Robert O’Bannon says it’s perfectly plausible that the militaries are all bound and determined to work together to get this corruption straightened out. They understand what’s at stake.

 

Alexandra: You know, I’m glad that you brought this up because I’m a military brat. My dad was a Colonel in the Air Force, he was a fighter pilot and also in Vietnam, served time and in my opinion, was a major hero, OK. Because of being brought up in that environment, I totally believe that by the amazing high number of people that I’ve met in the military, that the one main reason that they join is because they ultimately really want to support, defend, and protect their country, period. And the government has – I shouldn’t say the ‘govenment’ – maybe I should say military has received such terrible reports and again, just as you’ve said, it’s the divide and conquer type of thing. I love what David Icke has put out where you have the Problem-Reaction-Solution so they create the problem so that people just don’t trust the military at all.

 

And I think that is one of my other questions. I’m not even sure if you’re the right person to ask this, but I’m wondering how would it be if it gets to the point where the positive military comes in at that point we are taking the gold back, we’re taking our power back, how will the citizens around the world react to their own’s countries’ military, because of the amount of incredible negative press they’ve received.

 

Karen: See, the way I think it’s working is that there is a world coalition. The world is pulling together on this. We have the institutional machinery for that in the Bretton Woods institutions, although the Cabal thought they owned it – guess what – it’s like jujitsu we can turn it around (True) and so we have that framework. So we can have this framework for a rule of law but it’s not like not like the Bretton Woods institution is going to come into each of the countries and tell them what to do. What we’re going to do in the United States is we’re going to use the Article V of the Constitution where it said that when a 2/3 of the States request a Constitutional Convention there will be one. OK, we’re going to use that and a lot of people will say oh, there’s no way you will be able to come up with something good. And all we have to do, from the get-go is to get rid of the secret Second Constitution. We have to say that is no longer in effect.

 

Alexandra: Karen, talk a little bit more about that for the audience, as there are some who are not aware of that. I’m aware of it, and I’d like you to talk about that.

 

Karen: OK, what happened in the Treaty of Paris that Benjamin Franklin negotiated was the banks who had loaned money to the colonies were told that they could get their money back, they would be repaid in 70 years. And then we didn’t have the money, so we were in bankruptcy and then there was the Civil War and so there was another in 1871, there was a secret Constitution which said that the United States was going to be created as a corporation and the corporation was going to repay the debt.

 

So people are not aware of it. It was done secretly. That was when the District of Columbia was created. So what we have to do is, we have to repeal that Second secret Constitution and after that, first of all, the way it works, you have a convention and you propose whatever it is that you are going to do and that’s got to be ratified by a 3/4 of the State Legislatures. So if it’s really a bad thing, it’s not going to get the 3/4 of the State Legislatures to agree to it. (Right) And one thing that I think it would be pretty easy to get 3/4 of the State Legislatures to agree to and that is to repeal that secret Second Constitution.

 

Alexandra: You really think so?

 

Karen: Well, do you think the American citizens want their tax dollars going to the City of London, that’s what that Consitution is about?

 

Alexandra: No, no, of course not, but I just don’t feel that the Congress is really representing the positive turn-out for the people.

 

Karen: Well, the Congress has nothing to do with it. The only thing that Congress has to do with it, is that they are required to convene it. Then you’ve got two representatives from each of the States and they come up with proposals, (OK) that are then voted on by the States. Congress is not part of this. The only thing that Congress has to do is they have to add up the number of requests and they have to convene the Convention. And they haven’t done that, they haven’t done their job. They are AWOL.

 

Alexandra: So on our end, we have to come up with two definitely, high-caliber individuals per State to be representives for this cause.

 

Karen: That’s right.

 

Alexandra: Interesting.

 

Karen: They are just simply going to propose things that get ratified.

 

Alexandra: Hmmm, OK.

 

Karen: Or not. So if they do a bad job then it’s not going to get ratified. It not like they’re going to hijack the place.

 

Alexandra: So you know, a lot of people are talking about right now, here, today, how do we get the gold back and how do we bring the Jesuits down, etcetera, etcetera. I would like to ask you how do you forsee this new system unfolding transparently.

 

Karen: The very first thing is that people have got to figure out how to know if it is working or if it isn’t working, ja? So, I can give you a couple of what I think are ways of finding that out. And the first thing is to see what is going to the World Bank whistleblowers and other whistleblowers who you know are real whistleblowers. So that’s the way to know if you’re getting real information. And if you don’t know that the information that you’re getting from the mainstream media is bought and sold by these corrupt groups – and just to let people know the way we know that these groups are corrupt, this Federal Institute of Technology did a very accurate analysis of the companies on the capital markets and found out that are 43,000 of them and 60% of the earnings of these companies are going into one single conglomerate. So, and that conglomerate has bought all the mainstream media.

 

So if you are waiting to hear news, you know, if you’re just buying the newspapers and that’s as far as you’re concerned about – that news, then it’s going to be clear that things are not going to get better. You’ve got to learn that you have to be critical of any of the information you are getting – who’s telling it to you, do they have a motive, try to evaluate that. You can not just take things for granted and just sort of sit back and expect things to right themselves without you doing your part. You have to start getting involved and weighing the information. You know, I never object when people ask me hard questions. I always come up with proof of it. And a lot of times, if I don’t have the proof of it, I have to go back and re-evaluate it myself, what it is, what’s going on.

 

Alexandra: Well, you’ve got quite a support team out there Karen. And you might not know that all of the time, but you do. And we know that it’s got to take a tremendous amount of tenacity big time, you know, on your part to keep chasing this down the road. You know, kicking the can down the road to get to the ultimate goal. I mean, it appears to me that you are so divinely positioned because of your legal background – to be in the place where you are right now. And I’m wondering to you again, what do the people out there look for, as far as who can we really trust to follow the movement that is going on within the financial sector.

 

Karen: I would say, if you’re just going to say that one person, and I’ll just take everything they tell me, you had better – you haven’t been listening to what I’ve been telling you.

 

Alexandra: OK.

 

Karen: I said the groups of whistleblowers they themselves are always evaluating the people they are working with because something might have led them to start doing things for another reason. So you just cannot let up, unfortunately, you’ve got to be critical thinkers. And by being critical thinkers that means, what I said to a couple of people that I’m just not working with anymore, I say, if you walk like a duck and you quack like a duck I have to act as if I think you are a duck.

 

Alexandra: Umhmm.

 

Karen: And they can be, you know, doing helpful things and all of sudden quacking and walking like a duck. That’s it.

 

Alexandra: Right. Because the character is not there.

 

Karen: I think – let me change the subject at the very end, on something we haven’t really touched on and that’s religion.

 

Alexandra: OK.

 

Karen: I don’t want to hear from somebody about what they think their religion is, I want to see what they do.

 

Alexandra: Yeah, good point, good point. I love it. Well, and what do you feel as far as when you bring up religion, I don’t know if you want to talk about this, if we follow the money and we go from the proceeds of the tax dollars that are being collected you said that 40% of the money goes to the City of London, and 60% goes to the Vatican and then you and I had a conversation and I was, ‘where does it go from there?’ Are you willing to expound upon that?

 

Karen: Yeah. Let’s talk a little bit about religion.

 

Alexandra: Sure.

 

Karen: Because people think that I am anti-Catholic. And they say, ‘Well, this is a Jewish lady who’s blaming the Jesuits, that doesn’t work. I got into a huge fight with somebody who was trying to divide me and Wolfgang Struck. Because they were telling him that he was anti-Semitic and I told them that I’m not going to work with them anymore. You take people at face value for what they are doing, first of all. Second of all, this whole business about religion has been used to divide and conquer people.

 

Alexandra: Absolutely.

 

Karen: You can’t look into someone’s heart to see whether they are in service to their fellow man and what kind of a human being they are. And as far as I am concerned you’ve got to stop calling people names. One of the questions that I am getting is, what’s supposed to happen with Israel. Because there is a HUGE problem (oh yes) with what’s going on in the Middle East. And the answer that I gave them is, you have to look at the scholars who are dealing with Maimonides, who was the foremost philosopher and he was raised by the Spanish in the 1200s. The people who carried the spark of civilization through the Dark Ages happened to be the Arab Civilization, happened to be the Moors, ja?

 

And let me get to the very difficult conversation which is, what is behind the Jesuits. As far as I know, as I said I am working with whistleblowers, there’s an neurologist who came and said, ‘There is another species on this planet. It has a huge brain and they have been the nemesis of humanity. They have been the ones that have been dividing human beings and getting them to hate each other and to play one religion against each other. And what they did and whenever the religious books were being written they were putting provisions in there. They were taking what the prophets said and they were twisting it. They were not translating it properly. They were not taking the teachings that were there and they were twisting them in a way that made human beings susceptible to being brainwashed.

 

Alexandra: Yeah.

 

Karen: We have to learn to use our own intuition and our own instincts. And our own love of our own species. We don’t hate each other, we don’t want to kill each other, we don’t want to have wars, we have been manipulated through people who were using our sense of religion to mislead us.

 

Alexandra: Well Karen, we have to get away from labels, period. I’m Alexandra, you’re Karen. I don’t care if your Jewish or Buddhist or – . I’m not talking with you today because of whatever religion you are. I’m talking to you today because I want to hear what you have to say about the financial world. And the more that we can step back and – I talk about this all the time with my audience when anybody writes in to me – and that is, we need to stop getting SO polarized in our thinking because that is exactly what they want us to do and that is what creates the conflict. And there is so much information out there, it is much better to remain in a state of neutrality in observing that information, and then as you said using critical thinking and intuitiveness, trusting in your own inner voice to see what rings true to you. Because sometimes your truth and my truth Karen, you know, if you look at something that happens down the street and I see the same thing, we will still have a different perspective of what happened. That’s what makes the world go around. Are you there?

 

Karen: I’m shaking my head ‘yes.’

 

Alexandra: OK. So you were talking a little bit about the homo capensis – isn’t that’s who you were alluding to? Tell me about how you stumbled onto this, you met a neurologist?

 

Karen: Actually, what happened was, there are groups of whistleblowers and we have been coalescing, and one of the groups that has coalesced is a group of people that were working on the 9/11 problem, that’s called Able Danger, that group. So when you get involved with a group of whistleblowers or a group that’s working together, it’s like putting a jigsaw puzzle together. They were working on it on one side and you kind of mesh the insights. And then there’s another group coming out of the film industry. There’s a film producer, Edmund Druilhet, who did The Banksters, Madoff With America. . . .

 

Alexandra: Yeah, I’ve heard about that.

 

Karen: So he put a lot of information together and one of the people that he introduced me to is this neurologist named Ed Spencer. And Ed is the one who was telling me about homo capensis and MK Ultra, which is a way of trying to use people’s minds to mislead them. And there’s all kinds of technology that people don’t know about that’s been developed.

 

Alexandra: Look at the LA riots a while back. Oh my god, that was completely blown wide open, as far as the amount of manipulation that was used on the people. All of you people who are listening, you’ve got to know that we’re in a petrie dish and literally we are experiments all the time. They know very much about the way that humanity works, the way that we respond, all our emotional bodies, how we react emotionally, and they are going to use that to their advantage to maintain their power and authority over humanity, you know.

 

Karen: One of the sad things that I just saw recently was how some young girls who had been subjected to MK Ultra, testified in Congress (Wow!) and this was a while ago and the Congress just took the information in and didn’t do anything with it. So these were young people whose lives had just been totally demolished. They became sex slaves. And they risked everything to tell people about their horrible experiences and the Congress just took that information and didn’t act on it. They didn’t protect them, nothing. So as far as I was concerned they were victimized twice. The first time as MK Ultra victims, and the second time as just having risked everything to make it possible for Congress to do something and Congress did nothing.

 

Alexandra: And what is that telling us? That is telling us that we have to take our power back and stop depending on institutions that are not out there for our best interests. This is why I am speaking to you today.

 

You know, I wanted to ask you, you mentioned a little while ago the SDRs.

 

Karen: Yes.

 

Alexandra: And I wanted to know a little bit more about that. There are some questions coming in regarding that. Many people are asking, here’s one question – ‘I’ve read that the global currency reset is a quote/unquote ‘basket of currencies’ and apparently along with it are SDRs. What is your knowledge and opinion on this and why is it said that concept is a Cabal creation.

 

Karen: This is what the Cabal wants. That is why they are weakening the dollar, and it’s not in the cards. It’s not happening.

 

Alexandra: Good.

 

Karen: Ja? This is the agenda of those people who want to bring the United States down. But they’re not getting away with it. It’s not happening.

 

Alexandra: Now do you feel that there will be a need for a new president in order to bring the change of this new financial system forward?

 

Karen: The reason that I am hesitating is because of who our Vice-President is. Biden is not going to be any improvement.

 

Alexandra: No.

 

Karen: Ja? So we’re going to have to try to figure out how to negotiate ourselves through – you know – it’s kind of like you’re in a canoe and going over the whitewater. I’m not going to, I mean we’re all in this canoe together, I don’t want to be distracting ourselves and hitting rocks. I don’t know the answer to that question. But I do know this – that in the election when we had the debate – it used to be that the debate was run by the League of Women Voters. No, now they’ve got a Presidential Debate Commission and they’re there to make sure that there’s no real debate. I went to NBC and I said there is World Corruption and I want you to ask a question about this World Corruption. No, they didn’t ask that question. And Mitt Romney had as his national transition planning chief Robert Zoellick, who was the President of the World Bank who was not given a second term because of his complicity with all this corruption. So you know, we’re not going to have some ready solutions. We’re all just going to have to work together and keep our eye on the ball as we go forward.

 

Alexandra: I was going to ask you Karen, how can the person who is listening to you right now – how can they help you? How can they help you with your cause to bring this about?

 

Karen: The very first thing is to get yourself organized with your family and your community so that you’re plugged in. You do not want to be doing this as an individual, because you’re not going to be effective, you’re not going to be able to sort through all the information that is coming down the pike. As I said, you can not just turn on your TV and expect you to be informed. It’s hard work to stay on top of this. Now you can follow me on twitter, which is great. I would love to say just follow me and I’ll lead you in the right place and we’ll all be there together, but that’s not the answer. I’m just one of a group sorting through this very complex system and the best thing you can do is to keep yourself informed and protect all the whistleblowers, be critical to figure out if they are really a whistleblower or not. Just put your thinking cap on is the easiest way to answer.

 

But you can certainly tell your County Executive that you heard about this corruption I was reporting and you want something to be done about this before the world goes to hell in a hand basket. And we need to do what John F. Kennedy was doing, that’s the very first thing, we have to have dollars issued by the US Treasury backed by the gold, the thing J.F. Kennedy had lined up for us. And if we get that, believe me, we’ll be well on our way. That’s the simple thing. We have a wonderful ready solution that John F. Kennedy had lined up for us and that’s why he was killed because we were taking back our strength from the Jesuits.

 

Alexandra: Do you agree that the bankers are running scared now that because of all the multitude of lawsuits and the amount of the exposure that has come about regarding Libor and fraud and etcetera?

 

Karen: No, no. Because the courts are totally, totally, totally corrupt. And we’ve got to do first things first. We’ve got to focus now on getting clean, good currency because if we don’t do that soon we won’t ever be able to do it and we’ll go into the Dark Ages. Keep our eye on the ball. Let’s not get distracted by chasing after bankers. We can go after them when we are able to feed our ourselves and our families.

 

Alexandra: Interesting. That’s the number one goal – just to get the gold.

 

Karen: To get the dollars. He printed them. [JFK] They’re in a bank. They are uncut. They just have to be taken out and cut – and you know that’s not the gold, it’s the Treasury dollars. Then we can mint the gold and have that serve us as our currency. But there will be other currencies. There is something called legal tender law which says that only the Federal Reserve note is legal. No, we need to be allowed to have local jurisdictions, have their own local currency, that way we have full employment. That’s something that an economist named Silvia Gesell came up with. So there are so many things that we can do to have a strong country and strong economy and we can do those things.

 

We are going to come out of this thing. I think the chance that we are going to come out of this much better than we came into it are 90-95%. I believe in the accuracy of that power transition model. I think humanity will be working together to get things straightened out. And then, just stay tuned. Be a citizen, which means inform yourself and stay involved. And act on the local level. Right now immediately you can go to your County Executive – my County Executive is the President of the County Executives of America. He was elected in July because a group of people had gone to the County Executives of America and they said we need to get our counties to weigh in with our governors to get this terrible corruption straightened out. So we’ve got existing institutions that we can use and we should use them. I’m not saying don’t change things. I’m just saying that what we have is serviceable enough so that we can get ourselves turned around.

 

Alexandra: I agree too. I think it’s a very exciting time to be alive. And we are going back to the old ways if we want to bring this about. And one of them is to go at the local level. Those of you who are out there who are apprehensive about taking this on by yourself, form a group. Form a Meet-Up group. And make a decision as to who you want to voice an opinion to. Because we are the ones that have the numbers, not the elite. And we have the power. And we are starting to wake up. You know as they say, the sleeping giant is starting to wake up.

 

So Karen, here’s a question. You mentioned that we just need to get the currency out and then mint the gold, right?

 

Karen: Yes.

 

Alexandra: So what is the next step in doing that?

 

Karen: Get me back into the World Bank.

 

Alexandra: (Laughs) You go girl! I love it!

 

Karen: The 188 Ministers of Finance – I bought a World Bank bond and they settled my lawsuit.

 

Alexandra: Wow!

 

Karen: The only thing keeping me from walking back into the door is the security firm named Allied and Barton that is owned by that network of control. And there is another firm that is waiting in the wings to take their place. So we are not that far away from it.

 

Alexandra: Interesting. When that firm takes their place there’s a little more flexibility then.

 

Karen: It’s not flexibility. I just walk back in the door. That security guard firm is not letting me in the door.

 

Alexandra: I got it. Excellent. Hey, we’ll put it out there. We’ll put a request to the Universe. Let her in! (laughter)

 

Karen: Right. Me and all the other World Bank whistleblowers. You know, one person is not going to turn this around. You know we’re a feisty bunch. I said, if we go back in can we turn this thing around and they said, we sure can.

 

Alexandra: Oh my god. This is exciting. Well, we didn’t talk at all about the Federal Reserve. What state are they in at this point? I keep reading bits and pieces that they’re in a state of panic as well and I wondered what your opinion is about that.

 

Karen: Well, yes. It’s not the government of the United States – the Federal Reserve. It’s a private bank. It’s owned by this network of control and they are scrambling because this paper currency is not to going to continue. It’s starting to fray around the edges as we speak. They went out and made all these bad economic decisions and they’re stuck with them. They’re bankrupt. So you know, and to make matters worse for them, they’ve issued all these bonds so they know that they owe all this money that they don’t have. They are totally, totally bankrupt. And they also know that the word is out and people know what they really are. So they are not in a strong position whatsoever. Their currency is – I can provide you some links for you. This Quantative Easing was done deliberately to weaken the dollar because they thought that we would then agree that they would have something else. But we haven’t agreed. So they have nothing. Think of a chess game and they’ve been in checkmate for a while. That’s how the Federal Reserve is.

 

Alexandra: Do you actually feel that they are losing their stronghold in the BRICS nations? Is that pretty much been a – what would you say – I watch the BRICS nations with a lot of hope. So I’m just wondering if they have affected the Federal Reserve in any way, their Alliance?

 

Karen: Of course, they have. I said the dollar is not longer an unquestioned reserve currency.

 

Alexandra: Well, I don’t mean the obvious, I just mean the unobvious that we are not seeing behind closed doors. That you would have an intuition about because you’ve been with the World Bank.

 

Karen: The strongest place where they are hurting is – you know, an organization has got to project a sense of a future so that the people want to go there and place your faith in that organization. I would not be surprised if people are leaving that place in droves, ja? Because it doesn’t have a future. And it’s not going to have a future. It has NO FUTURE. The biggest challenge I see with the Federal Reserve is how to dismantle that place smoothly so we do not end up with – in economics there’s a term ‘the muliplier effect’ – there has to be time for people to leave that industry in a way that isn’t going to create – you know, if you just take away a lot of jobs all at once then it’s going to affect all of the other sectors. When a person gets a salary, then they spend it;  and if a person loses their job then they don’t spend it and those other industries – like they’re not going to restaurants, they’re not buying houses, so we have to find a way to dismantle the banking industry. We don’t need to have a banking industry like we’ve had, to create these terrible – it’s been there for control. And we don’t need that. People should have enough money, they should have saved money, so that they can go out and buy those houses they want. They shouldn’t have to have mortgages on houses.

 

Alexandra: That’s true.

 

Karen: There’s just so much dead weight in our economy because of all these banks that are there to control us. If we have a different way of – a different financial sector then we don’t need this kind of parasitical organization taking the lifeblood out of our economies. So the real challenge I see is how do we get from where we are and get people out of this parasitic industry. You need a certain number of -you know- you need people in the financial sector but you don’t need an army to control you – which is what the current financial sector has been. With a lot of huge salaries at the top! Where they’re owning industry, where the banks themselves have become investment entities. That’s because of the Glass-Steagall laws.

 

Alexandra: Yeah, I know, total collapse . . .

 

Karen: .  .  . were repealed. Not to go on and on. It’s not something that one individual is going to design. This is something that’s going to take some effort and it’s not going to happen at a central planning level either.

 

Alexandra: That was what I was going to ask you next. How do you see that unfolding. And you’ve also mentioned before about a specific set of protocols. Can you talk a little bit about that?

 

Karen:  I think probably the best way to describe it is, as we move away from this currency where you have to pay interest we’re not going to be spending all of our time generating tax money to send off to pay interest. And then people themselves at the local level are going to have start getting involved in how they want their communities to be run. It’s not going to be top-down, it’s going to be bottom-up. And when you’ve got currencies where you don’t have to pay interest you can see how that’s going to free the various communities up. Obviously, there’s going to be some retrofitting that’s going to happen between the States and the Federal government layers. That’s what the State of Georgia has already said. But it’s going to take many decades of careful thinking to figure out how it’s going to go in the future, ja? This isn’t something that one person is going to sit down and decide. This is something all of us we will be working on and our children will be working on.

 

Alexandra: Yeah, this is a huge undertaking. Because it’s impacting every person on the planet, that’s for sure. So at this point do you see any of the banks on the planet being – is there any bank out there right now that you feel that is stable, on a new path? There have been some rumors that quite a few banks are popping up with some of the new money. Can you talk a little about that?

 

Karen: Well, some people contacted me about a bank that the Lakota Indians had set up using gold as a reserve. And of course in the States you’ve got North Dakota has it’s own State Bank. But I don’t think we have all that many models that we can be happy with right now. I think we’re going to have to be working this out.

 

Alexandra:  Yes, that’s a good point. And this is the 64 million dollar question  – people are asking this all the time. What do you recommend, what are you doing with your family as far as protecting your assets at this point of time when the economy and the financial system are so on the edge of collapsing?

 

Karen: Well, I’ll tell you, this is a difficult thing to answer, because as a whistleblower, my family has been under attack. So my husband moved out in November. (Aww!) Aww, but you know, we celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary together, we had dinner, we’re good friends. He just didn’t like the fact that all the FBI agents were coming. I can’t blame the guy.

 

Alexandra: Well, you probably went from one radical experience in life to another, right?

 

Karen: Well, anyway. As far as investments, I think it is good to have some precious metals close to hand. Because although I say that things are going to move smoothly, that’s a wish. I don’t have any guarantees on that. So on the other hand, if everybody takes all their money out of their bank that’s going to create problems too.

 

Alexandra: Yes, big time. Here’s a question – have you heard about NESARA?

 

Karen: Oh I have, yeah.

 

Alexandra: OK, tell us a what you think about that. That’s a hot, hot topic.

 

Karen: I don’t give any credence to it.

 

Alexandra: None at all?

 

Karen: None whatsoever.

 

Alexandra: Bummer. Well, it’s got some really good postures to it though. I don’t know if you’ve read up on it.

 

Karen: I have, and this is about the farmer years ago, and bringing a case. Things that sound too good to be true, they’re not true.

 

Alexandra: Hmm. So what have you heard about OPPT?

 

Karen: That is pure, unadulterated BS. The problem that they describe is absolutely correct. But the solution is absolutely of no account. It’s a way of distracting people. Some of these people have actually extracted money from people. Because they thought this was going to help them, you know, and they’ve preyed off of these people. It’s really terrible.

 

Alexandra: So you feel the Cabal is behind the OPPT?

 

Karen: Yes. And one way you can find this out is, if you look at the stuff, the materials are all very, very slick and they use the same – the OPPT and the same ones who are talking about the Prosperity Accounts – they are using, for heaven’s sake, the same video artists.

 

Alexandra: So does that go for even the Hollow Earth Fund – there’s quite a few of them out there actually.

 

Karen: That’s just a way of trying to get people lined up with them, and support them – it’s a money grab. There’s nothing to them. They’re trying to steal the world’s gold and fund themselves. And they’re trying to get people to support them, so that they have a chance at it. It’s a scam.

 

Alexandra: Now, I really want to hear your opinion on Swiss Indo.

 

Karen: Scam.

 

Alexandra: Another one. So the descendents of King Solomon . . .

 

Karen: Yeah. This is another way of figuring out that the gold is real. Because these scam artists are trying to find a way to grab at it.

 

Alexandra: So all of these are an attempt to capture the gold.

 

Karen: That’s correct.

 

Alexandra: Wow. And have the whistleblowers actually chased that down all the way to the original source?

 

Karen: I’ve had people writing me telling me that this Swiss Indo fellow who says that he’s descended from King Solomon, you know, it’s just abysmal. They’re trying to get buy-in from people.

 

Alexandra: Now I did write down a report and I’m sure you’re going to be disgusted but I did write down a report and it says that Wolfgang Struck was supposedly a Senior CIA agent out of Germany linked with Keith Scott and they were associated with stealing the Collateral Accounts. Now what is your comment on that?

 

Karen: You should see the emails from Keith Scott I just saw. (laughter) Because Keith Scott was saying that the Collateral Accounts could not be released at this time. And Wolfgang just raked him over the coals.

 

Alexandra: Well, you know what, do me a favor and provide that link to me and I will put it up on my website.

 

Karen: OK. I can provide a lot of links to you. I don’t know if Wolfgang wants that last bit between (unclear).

 

Alexandra: You can send me whatever that you feel comfortable with. The more that we can educate people to see your point of view and to see the information that you’ve already worked on, the better.

 

Karen: Ja, I’ll send this interview to Wolfgang and let him hear it and maybe he’ll let us release that.

 

Alexandra: That would be great. You also mentioned something about the group of whistleblowers being all over the world, in the UK, Mexico, India and Ethopia. Do you find that this group is growing and if so is there a way to get in touch with you for those who really are starting to see some of the not so good goings-on within their own institutions they are working for.

 

Karen: They can always contact me. I’ve got a website with a contact page. Now the whistleblowers, many of them are in Washington still because they were at the World Bank. Some of them have gone home. But I’ve asked them whether some of them wanted to take a more public role and so far, Elaine is the only one who’s really been way out there with me.

 

Alexandra:  Yeah. A lot of people are just fascinated by the fact that you are so high profile. Have you had to really watch your security and safety since you have come out with all this information?

 

Karen: Ja, I have. That’s the way it’s been all along. I had to bring my car in, the axle was broken and I was driving around with a broken axle, and I said, ‘Does this model have broken axles? No, this is the first I’ve seen.’

 

Alexandra: Oh my god! (laughter)

 

Karen: Ja. Ja, so you just live with it.

 

Alexandra: That’s crazy. One other other thing I wanted to ask you. Tell me what is your perspective on the whole Bitcoin situation.

 

Karen: Ja. Look, there are a lot of scrip currencies. Just today someone was showing me a currency which is using gold bullion. I think you have to take all of this stuff with a grain of salt. The paper currencies are not to be with us for very long. And I don’t know if we’re going to be able to get the real currencies backed by gold to get out there in time. You don’t want to use Bitcoin like a bank account. Just imagine, if something happens and you forget your password or something. You can make payments with it, but the value of it is jumping all over the place. So you’ve got to let the ‘buyer beware.’

 

You haven’t mercifully asked me about the investment in Iraqi Dinar.

 

Alexandra: No, I haven’t asked you that.

 

Karen: Oh my god. I get more questions on that than anything else. I’m so tired of that discussion.

 

Alexandra: Well, since you brought it up, Karen . . .

 

Karen: I think it’s a scam, unfortunately. I know a lot of people who didn’t have a lot of money to invest did that. And now they’re in hot water. You just have to be careful about what you do. I think, for example, if you want to buy some silver coins, do it from a reputable dealer.

 

Alexandra: I’m going to change the direction of where we’re going before I let you go. And I just want you to talk a little bit more about more about the power transitional model. And to try to explain to the people why this has credence and why you feel so optimistic that this is the change that is taking place on the planet.

 

Karen: Oh bless you Alexandra, for that question. That’s my favorite question.

 

Alexandra: Good. I didn’t know that, folks. (laughter)

 

Karen: OK. What is that? I could explain it this way. Before I went to the World Bank I worked for the US Export-Import Bank. And there was a flight simulator. And what happened at the Export-Import Bank was, a guy from Ecuador kept flunking the flight pilot simulator test. And he thought the problem was that it wasn’t a good simulator. So he got into a real airplane and he was a Senior Member of the Air Force and he ordered the pilot to let him fly the real plane and he did in reality what he did with the flight simulator, he crashed the plane.

 

The power transitional model is a simulator. Of course, if you give it the wrong information, then it’s not going to simulate very much. It’s garbage in, garbage out. But if you have a good understanding of the situation then that model is 90-95% accurate. And they have tested it – there’s an article I can show everybody, where they’re talking about how the experience is. This model came out of the Defense Department, but it was put together by a political scientist and whenever there was a disagreement between an intelligence analyst and the model, the model won hands down. And the way that they explain it is, when people are trying to predict what is going to happen in the future, the analysts would say what is happening today is going to be like what happens tomorrow.

 

But what this model does is, it predicts where the coalitions will form.  So what is the information you’re supposed to feed into the model? You’re supposed to look at any given problem, and you’re supposed to say how powerful are the groups that – they call it ‘stakeholders’ – the groups that have an influence on the problem. How powerful are those groups, where do they stand on the problem, and you also have to figure out how important that issue is to them. For example, you could have say, a President of the United States, they are very powerful but they have so much going on their plate that an issue is not going to get their attention, so you also have to try to figure out how much important that issue is to them.

 

Anyway, what you do is, you come up with numbers. And you put those numbers in the model and the model crunches them. So I did a model of Rule of Law at the World Bank and you can see the numbers I came up with as far as the relative strengths of the different countries, I used their voting power inside the organization because that’s weighted by the size of their economy. And then I had to say where do they stand on Rule of Law, you can see what I thought, and one of the mistakes I made was, I gave a positive role to the media. I didn’t understand that the media was owned by the Cabal and they didn’t want to give the true news to people – they’d do a cover-up. So I made a mistake on that.

 

But at the same time I did my estimate of the model, Jacek Kugler had published an article in 2004 about where the world was going in a power transition from East to West. And what he wrote was that the Germans played a very important role, and the relationship between the United States and Germany was vital. And because Germany and the United States were disagreeing this was what was opening up the opportunity for China. And Russia and actually, Japan, and all of those countries were part of the West and it was very important for the United States to work together as with its allies and not lose them.

 

And so there was a problem at the World Bank with Paul Wolfowitz. He was blackmailing the members of the Board. Do you remember what happened with Eliot Spitzer? When Eliot Spitzer lost the Governorship of New York because he went to the New York madam? Well, they were blackmailing the members of the Board of the World Bank who patronized the New York madam to trying to prevent them from firing Paul Wolfowitz. And I found out about it because I speak Dutch and it was Herman Wijffels who represented the Dutch government on the Board who was leading in the effort to fire Paul Wolfowitz. And so Herman Wijffels went public in Dutch. And because I speak Dutch I saw that the US was blackmailing the Executive Directors. So I went back to the United States, you know, I just happened to be there when that story broke and I said, you can not be blackmailing the Executive Directors, because we are about to lose the Gentlemen’s Agreement and that is only going to make it worse. And of course, that is exactly what happened.

 

So getting back to the power transition model, it predicts where the coalitions will form. And the basic point is, if the United States focuses on keeping it’s allies happy then China doesn’t come up way fast, China will come up in a century. But what has happened, is that the United States, the Federal Reserve, is not giving Germany it’s gold back. That’s an Act of War. And Germany helicopter-buzzed the US Consulate in Frankfurt. And I went back to the Department of Defense and I said, ‘we are losing all of our allies.’ This is what the model predicts. Because we have the Federal Reserve there, we’re doing what the Vatican wants us to do. The Vatican owns the Federal Reserve, that’s what that is. The Federal Reserve is just part and parcel of the network of control that’s being exerted by the Vatican. And I say the Vatican but it is really just the Jesuits. And by saying the Jesuits, the Jesuits are actually acting for the homo capensis. That’s why they are doing all these terrible things with Fukushima, and with the Chemtrails, and with the MK Ultra mind control. What you’ve got is you’ve got the very corrupt layers of humanity are betraying humanity.

 

Alexandra: And the corrupt layers of humanity are betrayed by the homo capensis. If you think about it.

 

Karen: Well, homo capensis has the interest of it’s race, I’m sorry, it’s species, it’s not a race, we’re talking about a different species. They’re so different that when they try to have offspring with homo sapiens the offspring is not fertile. There’s been an analysis of their DNA; their offspring is not viable because there’s been so much interbreeding because there weren’t so many of them left after the Ice Age.

 

Alexandra: Are you aware of how many of them are left now – how big is the species on the planet?

 

Karen: Well, I do know that they’re still very much there and running around. Some guy in Portugal wrote and said he saw them at meeting of bankers and Ed Spencer is in touch with someone who was in Egypt and saw them running around in Egypt. So they are out and running around.

 

Alexandra: It’s very interesting I just blogged literally a couple of days ago, I blogged a very interesting post that came across my desk. Over 300 elongated skulls were found in Paracas.

 

Karen: Yes, that’s the species.

 

Alexandra: OK, wow.

 

Karen: And there’s a lot of disinformation. Some people say it’s the binding, it’s not the skulls are bigger. But no. When the DNA analysis came back it’s a different species.

 

Alexandra: And this is going back more than 6000 years ago, right?

 

Karen: It’s going back to the previous Ice Age.

 

Alexandra: To the Ice Age, OK.

 

Karen: And don’t forget. I didn’t tell you about the map. There’s a map that comes from the previous Ice Age. It shows how Antartica the landmass before the ice froze, what it’s contours are. And now they can use radar to find out how the coastline – they can see that that map which was done before the Ice Age has an accurate portrayal of the coastline. And if you look the level of water has risen 400 meters. So there are buildings right off the coast of the different continents that shows what that civilizations’ buildings looked like. And there were a lot of them in South Africa. Which is, of course, where humanity started. When you go back at the DNA that’s where humanity was. Humanity was probably imprisoned and kept like cattle and there was some way we escaped, somehow we got out.

 

Alexandra: This is fascinating. Could you forward that link over to me?  The map? I’d love to see the map.

 

Karen: Ja, ja. What I will forward to you is the letter that Ed wrote to the US military which has all the sources that I’m citing.

 

Alexandra: I’m really glad that you brought this out because it’s just once again connecting the dots. Everybody is very aware of another presence on this planet whatever you want call it. But this just ties it all in. And one of the things that people are so astonished with, is how can this faction, this group of beings be so ruthless and un-heart-felt and they’re not human. They’re not human. I say that all the time.

 

Well Karen, it’s been a pleasure to interview today. And I appreciate you canvassing so many different questions with me.

 

Karen: I enjoyed your questions, Alexandra. I thank you for having me on.

 

Alexandra: You’re welcome, you’re welcome. I hope we’ll have you on again with really good news that we’ve got you back in the World Bank and the power of the people and the gold back. Would that not be the most incredible day of our lives?

 

Karen: That would be great!

 

Alexandra: Yes, it would.

 

Karen: I think we are on track for it, actually.

 

Alexandra: I do too. I definitely do. And I want to remind everybody to please support Karen Hudes’ work. Please visit her website at http://www.kahudes.net/. And Karen, do you want them to check any other links before I let you go.

 

Karen: I’ll send them to you and you can follow me at Twitter as well @karenhudes.

 

Alexandra: Sounds awesome. I want to thank you again. And I thank everybody for listening, and like you said, put your thinking cap on, start getting active, get off the couch, we need you guys to be active. This is the time to take our world back. We are One and We Can Do This. And We ARE Doing This. So Don’t Lose The Faith.

 

So blessings everybody. I love you all. And you guys take care. Have a great afternoon Karen.

 

Karen: Thank you.

 

Alexandra: Thank YOU.

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