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By Eve Lorgen, MA

eve-lorgen-1Elizabeth, a mother of three working in the professional education field for over 25 years  and living in Southeastern US, created a spirituality based discussion group in her local community in 2011. Through this spirituality oriented group she eventually met a man we will call “Mr. X”. He presented himself as a spiritual lightworker, healer-guru who made claims to having contacts with advanced, positive extraterrestrials and higher dimensional beings. Mr. X emanated a charismatic and mysterious presence, with a fascinating background of military intelligence black operations, and claimed that the military used him in black projects because of his propensity for psychic abilities such as remote viewing. As time went on and Mr. X carried out his “healing and metaphysical teaching” agenda, several red flags arose regarding his true intentions. This involved testing others for their psychic abilities, spying on them, preparing them for ET walk-in entities to possess their bodies, and psychic vampirism. His ultimate goal seemed to be to facilitate others to become hosts for these alleged ET walk-in “starbeings” all the while manipulating and feeding on other’s life force energies. He also wanted others to help invoke and bring in larger numbers of these interdimensional entities via portals and wormholes created through specific occultic exercises.

This interview is a good expose on how to discern true spiritual integrity of self proclaimed ET walk-ins and other channelled entities. These deceptions and masquerades are not limited to the New Age movement however, and I have observed this to happen with other self proclaimed gurus, ministers and preachers. The whole idea is to be able to discern the energetic signature of such a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” whatever their race, gender or spiritual-religious orientation. The qualities of such “hosts” from a love relationship perspective is more elaborated on in my “Dark Side of Cupid: Love Affairs The Supernatural and Energy Vampirism” book. (Keyhole Publishing, 2012)

Transcription: Elizabeth and David’s experience with Mr. “X”.

Elizabeth: Thanks for giving us the opportunity to talk with you and share our story. Mr. X came across my path in the fall of 2011. I’ve been living in a mountain community in the Southeastern, USA. I started a metaphysical group here, focusing on things like like sustainable living, healing, spirituality, prepping, alternative healing and that sort of thing. I ran an add in a local paper and Mr. X responded to the add and called me. He came out to meet me and said he had similar interests and wanted to meet me again to ask some questions about our group and that sort of thing. We talked about organic farming, green living, metaphysics, Reiki healing, alternative healing, getting back to nature, and that kind of thing. The majority of people were from many religious/spiritual backgrounds.

Eve: How did the subject get introduced of ETs, UFOs and ET Walk-ins with Mr X, how did he move in on that subject?

Initially he spent alot of time talking with me and sharing his background. After several phone conversations he asked if he could meet me. So he came out and met me and my family at my mountain home. He told me he had been in the military for many years since a young man. He was in his late 50’s when I met him. He served about 20 years and during that time period he was “discovered” by the military because he had natural psychic abilities. He was able to foresee ahead on reconaissance missions. He was recruited and sent to Langley (CIA Headquarters, VA) and trained as a remote viewer.  In the late 70’s and early 80’s. At that time he said the government was very interested in people who had natural psychic gifts and were working with these people to remote view people, target specific leaders and places overseas. He said he was sent to different military bases here and abroad and he would RV specific targets on behalf of the government. He did mention that he did work for the NSA and was involved in special projects they were working on. He had alot of military background experience in the Army basically. He went in as an enlisted soldier but once his gifts were discovered he was placed in other departments. And then used for special ops using remote viewing skills and other things.

Eve: Did he ever show you his abilities what he could do, did you ever see a demonstration of his abilities?

Elizabeth: Well he gave us info and again this was after the events occurred. He told about the Space Shuttle disaster in the early 90’s that he remote viewed ,911–where he RV’d some event with the twin towers in NYC, and smaller events like plane crashings, hijackings in the 80’s & 90’s related to terrorist activity.

Eve: Did he ever remote view you or was he very accurate?

Elizabeth: Well, as we got to know him better we were able to see. Because he lived about an hour away, we spent alot of hours on the phone. Sometimes he would specifically tell me what I was doing or could see what I was wearing. Or other members of my family. He also said that his work expanded beyond the military. After he was doing enlisted work he was involved  in transporting craft from ETs, like crash recoveries. Bits of things that were found in this country and taking them to Wright Patterson AFB in the midwest and basically dropping these things off and went to Area 51, transporting goods and things that were part of ET craft.

EL: Was he retired from the regular military at that time?

Elizabeth: He said he was doing contract work at that time. He went on later to explain, an elaborate story, about things he experienced at Area 51. Interesting as he was doing the transport work, driving things. Then he would stay there, and he would wander around the facility. In one of the areas at Area 51, he said there were hangars where there were full ET craft. He said that these craft were inoperable in that we didn’t know how to operate them. One of the stories he told us was that he could decipher ET writing.

Eve: How did that happen? Did he meet any ETs in these places?

Elizabeth: Well, previous to that he said he had Pleidian hybrid strandings mixed with his own DNA. And though he was human, he also attributed his special talents, like telekinesis and remote viewing, these gifts were a result of the Pleidian strandings that he was born with. And he was from a psychic family and had other family members who had psychic abilities.

EL: Did he ever remember an alien abduction or contacts as as child?

Elizabeth: He didn’t talk about that so much. He said both parents were Andromedan and that he was sort of a mix of Andromedan and Pleidian. I can’t go into specifics but he said his family was of a hybrid type bloodline.

Eve: Did he have any unusual characteristics that you think would set him off as being unusual or strange?

Elizabeth:  He was really really tall. He was almost 7 foot tall.

Eve: Did his eyes ever change like a slit iris. Did you ever see anything unusual with his eyes?

Elizabeth: Yes the first time I met him, we were in a public place. I noticed when I looked at him, his eyes looked black. He has Latin American ancestry, and so he has dark hair and brown eyes, slightly darker skin. In this case the eyes were so dark you couldn’t see a pupil in them. I sensed there was a shield or coating over his eyes. After a while we talked, after he felt I was a safe person to talk to, he suddenly dropped his head and shook it, and the shielding over his eyes changed. Gone. Then he had a normal brown color of eye, it was no longer black shield over his eyes.

Eve: What kind of work did he start doing with you and your group like healings, trainings or remote viewings?

Elizabeth:  What happened was that as he got to know me better, I introduced him to my son and other members in the group who were interested in different spiritual and metaphysical topics. A few folks asked if they could meet him. He said part of his mission here on Earth was to do healing work with people and he said he had alot of previous experience in another southern metro area where he started a large metaphysical group involved with many people doing that sort of thing.

One of the women in our group was involved in doing healing here in this local area and was interested in learning form Mr X. I was doing Reiki and so he was interested in sharing what he knew with us and maybe even getting involved in assisting us with our healing work here.

David: This is where I come in the story. I met him for first time in the mountains and was encouraged by my Mom and him to come back here. I was living in another state at the time and just visiting. He suggested that I come move out here, and that if I didn’t something dangerous or bad could happen out where I was currently living. Like a psychic premonition of sorts. The first healing we did, a friend, my Mom, another man and Mr. X were all together. He proceeded to do a healing over this man. His modality was nothing I’ve seen before, not like Reiki or massage. I had learned Reiki. He would do this thing and stand over the body and run his fingers over the body like he was tinkering with the body. It was all energetic, no touching, no major contact. He would be hovering over the body, diddling his fingers, moving or manipulating energy. But towards the end of the healing he would go into a sort of trance like state, and saying he was going to call forth such and such a spirit. Then he went into this thing where he started to weep a little bit, and was saying he was feeling the pain of the Earth and so on. To me it was a little chauvinistic and taking this guys healing and using it, and taking it like his “coming out” or trying to reveal himself or the figure he was supposed to be. I didn’t really think about it at the time. My guard was down at the time. But he was definitely trying to introduce himself as a kind of powerful spiritual healer. He had these entities and so that’s just a brief intro for me. From there it started to get more far out. I spent some time with him at his house later as time went on.

Eve: I’m curious, the man that he healed, was it a physical ailment? 

David: He had cancer, and he did pass away not long ago. Mr. X didn’t ask for money but he was receiving compensation from the man.

Eve: What kinds of things did he have or use, like frequencies, tones, or things to aid healing. What did you notice after being near him?

Elizabeth: Well just prior to doing all this healing, as we got to know him a bit better he started to exhibit different personalities. Mr. X wasn’t just himself, he began to indicate that there were other beings associated with him. So I asked him if he would consider them to be walk-in beings? Like another entity walk-in that would integrate with the person in the body and work with or through them to serve some higher good etc. It turns out we identified at least 3 other entities, and these entities were a part of doing this healing work and maneuvering things through him. It wasn’t just Mr. X involved, it was these entities working through him. Each of these entities was on a different level spiritually. They had different gifts and abilities. He said they came from a high dimension, 12th dimensional beings. He said they came from a star system that was very far away, not familiar to us and that because they were such a high frequency it’s not something we would necessarily be aware of.

David:  Just to preface this, ultimately the guy turned out to be a con artist and he wanted a following to be known, etc. I feel this way and my Mom too, there was something else “in him” . Some of his story was true, some of it didn’t check out. I went to the VA with him one time and they have horrible wait times. And he had no problem, got in and out right about. It was just one of those little things. There was something different about him.

Eve: What about the entities what was each one like?

Elizabeth: They had specific names and they also answered to a being that rarely came into him.

David: They referred to him as Supreme Master. That’s the term he used. And I’ve heard that term used before. And how he described it, is that they had a very hierarchic structure, they had Kings and Queens, and it was not an egalitarian structure society. It was hedgemonic in nature. I found that curious. Most space brothers will talk about positive societies and that sort of thing.

Elizabeth: He told us he was a Fleet Commander on a Starship, near Saturn. They were in our solar system near Saturn and he came in on a smaller fleet ship. These entities would come into the body of Mr. X and that they would work their agenda through him, which was basically to learn about the human race. They were very curious, about understanding things like human emotion. They had a hard time understanding that and understanding our life here. They and Mr. X were interested in our psychic abilities and gifts and what we were able to do . As time went on we did different work with him.

Eve: Was he testing you to see what your abilities were? Did he ever astrally come to you in your dreams or at night. Was his presence invasive in any way like astral invasions or strange psychic linking or anything like that?

Elizabeth: Yes I personally felt that. David I also felt that but it was a little different with him, and I will talk a little about that later. I didn’t have that until afterwards.

David:  I went to his house a number of times just to hang out and he would teach me things. One thing that was anomalous was that he had a book called, “On Becoming a Galactic Human” by Sheldon Nidle. I was staring right at it. He was trying to keep me away from it. I don’t know if he got into contact with these entities not knowing who they were or that was one of the things that stuck out. He didn’t want me to read about that or have that kind of awareness about it or something. He was selling him self as being a walk-in for these entities and that we would be a big part of that, and then from there it started to follow the New Age and ET paradigms, like ascending, and that disasters may occur. We may be picked up at some point in the future kind of thing.

Eve: Did he make alot of  predictions about what would happen in the future?

Elizabeth and David: Yes, yes.

David: This was prior to 2012, but he did tell us a specific pick up date. And if we continued to work with him that we were part of his star family and that as such, we were going through this process of awakening and we were going to be picked up December 7, 2012 and there would be a number of more ships coming in to remove the believers or those ascending, etc. But by the same token he would make a threat, that if we were doing the reverse or not the right practices, not supporting or believing in his stuff, that we wouldn’t be a part of that.

Elizabeth: Then of course that was when alot of red flags arose.

Eve: What kind of practices did he want you to do? Was it anything with linking in energies or melding energy bodies or anything like that?

David: Well yes, but not in those specific terms. Essentially we were part of that family and he was telling us that our real ET body was in the craft, and that there was a time when those two, our human body and starship bodies would come together and join. Our star being bodies would be integrated with us.

Elizabeth:  He told us an interesting story at one point. He told us one day that he’d be gone for 24 hours for something special and secret with the ETs. And after this event, he went to some Illuminati meeting with people like the Rothschilds, Bill Gates, Obama, Hilary Clinton, and all kinds of important people at this group. His purpose was to attend this group meeting and that he was to go into the body of the Rothschild. Not physically but the ET within him. Like astrally. He told us a process to get into the body. A specific process. He said there was a soul extraction process that only certain ETs (whom of which was one of his ET walk-ins), who have a high frequency and ability to supersede the human soul or consciousness and put it into a suspended animation state. They were able to extract the soul out of the body and put it into some other containment, and then he would then infuse his own spirit into this body and speak through this body. And he said these particular people who were involved with the Illuminati, people who were making alot of decisions he said, most of these people were being controlled by high level entities. Many of these people involved in certain spiritual occultic practices, by opening that door in their life, they give these entities permission to use their bodies for specific purposes. He said when things get off track with the agenda, they–the ETs, sort of redirect the course of corrective action. He said the people in the room were not aware that this was happening when it happened. Only the entities had that kind of control. One of his entities went into the body of Rothschild  and he was specifically speaking to Obama in regard to some parts of the agenda he was supposed to be carrying out but they were not pleased with the way they were doing it, so the ETs said they needed a course readjustment. And so they were working on these issues and people putting things back into the proper order.

Eve: Did he ever say anything about these entities being Annunaki, Draco or Reptilian, Andromdan or any particular terms or names?

Elizabeth: He talked about them like they were beyond our sphere. Anytime he wanted to condemn an individual who wasn’t going along with his program, he would accuse them of being reptilian involved or something. So I don’t really know what alignment he had with those particular groups. He described these entities as 12 feet tall, blondes, sort of a Nordic type, human looking. But as the story went on sometimes his story would change. Sometimes he said they had no sexual organs, mild inconsistencies that occurred. He said they were a beautiful blonde blue eyed race of ETs who were in competition with the Greys and Reptilians.

Eve: Did he say anything about being a hybrid ET himself or from any particular bloodline?

Elizabeth: He also said he comes from a generational family of psychics, his parents were involved in some esoteric societies, such as off-shoot’s of Dianetics/L.Ron Hubbard and he was possibly exposed to some occultist teachings as well. He also said he was of extra-terrestrial origin as were some of his family members, Pleiadian & Andromedan and that this is where his exceptional gifts came from.

Eve: How exactly did Mr. X get involved in the military and black ops?

Elizabeth: Mr. X’s gifts were discovered in the military (from the mid 70’s –early 90’s) during reconaissance missions in Grenada and Desert Storm where he was able to remote view events; he was then sent to CIA headquarters in Langley, VA for testing and training as a remote viewer; he was subsequently sent to secret US military bases around the world to remote view military targets and to gather useful information about individuals etc. that the government wanted info concerning their whereabouts and such. He said he was one of the military’s best psychics & remote viewers. He was also skilled in telekinesis, in mind-control techniques and visionary/prophetic sightings. (He could give specific details such as descriptions of people, dates, times & places of events that were going to occur with 90-95% accuracy). He shared many examples with us about these experiences, such as the space shuttle disaster, 911 etc.

He said part of his military experiences included doing transport work of extra-terrestrial craft and recovered debris which he delivered to secret military bases such as Area 51. He told us about experiences he encountered at Area 51 in the underground base there with the Greys and other ET beings working with the US government. Some of these experiences included explanations of genetic experiments being conducted there with the Greys and Reptilians.  He had an interesting story about a human/ET hybrid woman, named “Sabrina” that he met on the 29th level. He went on to say that while staying at Area 51, he wandered into areas he was not supposed to be in where he encountered scientists trying to decipher alien codes and symbols from recovered alien craft. He said that because of his ET-origins that he could actually make the translations, and though the scientists did not believe him at first, he was able to do so which enabled them to then operate the craft. He said whole ships have been recovered by the US military and that in order to operate different craft they have needed help in deciphering the alien symbols.  He drew symbols for us and explained that there is a universal ET language that he could teach us.  He told us about an Air-Force pilot named “Mike” that he met at Area 51 and helped to escape from a bad situation where he was going to be shipped off to the moon though a “jump room”–essentially as a “food source” for the negative ET’s working there. I did meet Mike at another ex-military person’s home but I was only able to verify parts of this story. This man claims to be an “Andromedan” (more to this story as well).

Eve: So he had a meeting for 24 hrs to meet a special group. What other kinds of things did Mr. X do in relation to ET contacts or jobs?

David: He said that every night he would go into the “ship”. He did this to report back to the ET’s on his activities and experiences with people down on earth. In his paradigm anyway.

Elizabeth: Mr. X was not an Andromedan per se. These entities claimed to be some higher 12th dimensional being. From a planet known as Eliam. These entities were supposedly way above Pleidians or Andromedans, they were higher in frequency.

Eve: Did he ever say when this all started for him like some initiation? Was he aware of when he became or started to have “ET-Walk ins?”

Elizabeth: Although, Mr. X’’s story became more and more complicated and convoluted as time went on, he went on to explain that after his walk-in experience in 1972 (when he essentially left and would come in and out of the body only when needed) he became aligned with a group of far superior (to the existing Pleiadian energies that Mr. X carried), 12th Dimensional beings from a planet known as “Eliam” far outside our solar system. In fact he said it was in a different dimension altogether. He said he was known as a group of four brothers using the names of Azaya, Ocana, Sananda and Akal who were highly evolved/spiritually-conscious beings. He said all four of these beings had access to this body and came in and out at different times for different purposes. I have had some experience working with “walk-in” souls but I had never encountered more than one soul coming in to replace the one that agreed to leave, so this was a red flag that made me suspicious (possible entity possession/DID – Dissociative Identity Disorder, according to psychiatric terminology). He could easily change personas to fit the situation, energetic shifts could be seen psychically coming and going from his physical body. He told us that his mother ship is located near the rings of Saturn but they have smaller ships that are cloaked here above the earth. He said he would leave his body nightly and go to these ships to report back about his day to day Earth experiences.

As mentioned before, he did say his family was involved in a number of secret societies. His mother was more into the New Agey stuff, but the father was a bit more grounded. I viewed them as low level esoteric practitioners. They were big on Dianetics, the mother believed this story more than the father.

Eve: You mentioned how the ET entities had much intelligence and articulation, but when you noticed Mr. X’s regular personality come through, it was like he was a small child barely able to function emotionally, is that right? Did he experience any abuse in his early years?

Elizabeth: He did tell me one specific story at 11-12 years old where he was abducted by someone –a human–and tied up and tortured and might have experienced sexual abuse but he didnt state that specifically. Because Mr. X was very large for his age, he looked more like he was 18, so maybe no one noticed he was a child having been abducted and tortured. He eventually escaped from that situation, but it did result in alot of trauma for him. He also had alot of physical problems for his extraordinarily large size as a child, he was diagnosed with something related to hormonal or genetic problems.

David: Or a malformation in his development. His skull was strange shaped. Strange looking. He had gone through alot of tests as a child for genetic disorders. As for other forms of abuse I cannot comment or know about that.

Eve: What were the red flags that you noticed with Mr. X, such as astral sexual unions, or psychic linking, or innuendos towards sexual linking, or kundalini activation? Or what I describe in my Dark Side of Cupid book related to psychic vampirism?

Elizabeth: Yes, I did in particular. Alot of conversations we had, he was very interested in human sexuality–that’s how it began. These ET beings wanted to know certain specific things, so as we began to talk about that I noticed he was starting to develop an emotional and physical attraction towards me. And I sensed that he was watching me at times, remote viewing specific things about me, like he would tell me things on the phone that were shocking at the time, like he was watching. There were times when I felt like he was somehow remotely sexually stimulating me–physically– and it was a very strange weird uncomfortable feeling, not anything I’ve ever experienced before. At first I dismissed it, as I didn’t know what to think about it.

Eve: Did he say anything to you to try to indicate that yes, that I am doing this, to confirm that he indeed was remotely influencing you? 

Elizabeth: No–he didn’t admit to anything. Later I did confront him and told him I thought he was remotely influencing me energetically, sexually and psychically linking and I said I feel like you are stimulating me and invading my privacy and doing things making me very uncomfortable.

Eve: Did you have anything like classic alien encounters or visitations during that time, or paranormal activity in your home at that time? What about sensing Mr.X’s energy like astral or psychic linking?

David: Well we did have some unusual activity with our german shephard mix dog. He was usually very well behaved and also very protective of us. And he disappeared one night for a couple of days and we did get him back. Another dog at the bottom of the road, a beagle, came back with him, very attached like attached to the hip, and Mr. X even commented on that, how strange. Our dog didn’t even like that dog. It was a large beagle who our dog felt threatened by, and our shephard was always protective of us whenever this dog came around or saw it. They took off together for a long period of time and we actually lost him for a while. But he was never the same after that.  Our shephard dog seemed different after that interaction. We eventually got that other dog away by having to call the animal control people. It was getting too snappy and was apparently abandoned. We thought that perhaps Mr. X could have been manipulating the energy of those dogs as a way to get our dog out of the way. Perhaps Mr. X felt threatened by our dog’s protectiveness and sensitivity to his true nature.

Elizabeth: I would feel Mr. X’s energy more than see him. Like he was projecting a part of himself. I also sensed another time when tuning into him psychically that he had a military handler, an older grey haired man.

David: I’ve had experiences about this, Mr. X projecting. I was single at the time and Mr. X would be really adamant about wanting me to get into a relationship with a woman. He was actually trying to talk me up and saying I was going to be with alot of women. He had some kind of agenda there though. Mr. X was teaching me things. He was training me whereas with my Mom it was more of a love bite kind of thing.

Eve: What did he train you to do?

David: Well basically it was ET stuff, me having another body. I was going to be a fleet commander myself like a general in an army playing on my warrior mentality. Playing on my ego. A big part of it. He was always talking us up, making us feel important like we had a mission and purpose. What he would do when I was first visiting was calling in my ET body into the room. He had a dog and it was staring at it–the energy of the ET body– and saw it coming in to the room. Mr. X told me that these two bodies would integrate. Me and the ET body that is, on the star craft somewhere. He described it as one of these ET entities, the 12-13 foot tall whites.

Eve: So his purpose seemed to be to integrate and fuse you into another ET body or entity?

David: Especially towards the end. But aside from that it was simple psychic kinds of exercises. Like visualize a ball and make it travel around a room, make it turn into something. Manifest something in my hand and identify it. It was testing and training.

Things like pulling in energy. The specific technique was to put out your hands like you were holding a ball, then to imagine a specific person, concept, idea or thing–to manifest that, and bring it into myself and then send it back out. That was what he was teaching me to do.

Now with a girl or potential girlfriend, he was trying to get me to kind of reconnect with her, so he had me do this exercise with her. Like visualize her energy in that ball and bring it into my body/self and then send it back out. And it got to the point that I actually could sense her strongly, even smell her smell, so something was happening. And during that whole time she got ill, sick-ill. And I don’t know if they are related. Violently ill. That was scary. That’s why I also did alot of spiritual practices later (to clear), it shook me as far as what was right and wrong.

Eve: Did he experiment with that same exercise with you to show what he meant to see what it feels like when ones energy is being invoked or pulled?

David: No–we didn’t do that. One of the things he said was that he was all into healing, but at the same time he would often say that there was no kind of healing that we could ever do on him that would work on him. I don’t know if he was afraid of being touched on healing energy but he was against anyone doing that to himself.  Maybe he had an aversion to healing energy I don’t know.

Eve: Did he have any aversions to any names?

Elizabeth: Any high levels beings of any sort, gods and goddesses. Well for one the name of Jesus had an absolute problem with him/that.

David: He claimed to be Jesus or one of the entities claimed to be Sananda, they called him Sananda. He had an aversion to Jesus, and would say that that entity is the Sananda entity and never speak of Jesus. He never referred to him as Jesus Christ but Sananada. At that time I wasn’t really a believer in Jesus so at that time I never used any of that around him, didn’t really think to do that. I wish I would have–to experiment with that to know what it would do.

Eve: What were the red flags that you confronted him with or any specific incidents that caused you to make a decision to sever ties with Mr. X?

Elizabeth: Well there was a time he was working with our family and our group together. He did interact with other people in our community, but we were his primary contact. But he expanded out. He considered us his proteges, wanted to use our properties and he asked us to put copper rods on specific points with amethyst stones, and seal it with beeswax. He told us this was to create an energy grid on our property to protect the space, for protection and also to be used as a conduit for communication with the star beings. And by doing this we would be opening up a channel of energy that would help to connect us with his people. He also talked alot about a time when there would be a need for these entities to come to this planet. And that he was part of recruiting groups of people who would use themselves and their properties and energies created to open up portals and channels to bring these entities through the  earth, not only from up above but from below the earth and up into our reality. Allow passage for different entities to interact with humans and be a part of something that was coming.

Eve: Did he ever say what was coming?

Elizabeth: His paradigm of thought was that it was more of a positive spin. We were going to need to ascend or need to leave this planet. There was going to be a cleansing or apocalyptic events where we would be taken up or left. Something like that. Earth changes and cataclysms. I think that was the agenda

David: I asked Mr. X straight up, “Well you want an army don’t you?”  And he said, “Yes that’s exactly what we want”. I didn’t feel maligned by what he was saying but for me towards the end I wanted to know what he was up to.  I asked, “You want me to send my consciousness away don’t you? To make me an empty vessel. Maybe to experiment with me to see if it was possible?’‘ One time we did that one night. He did an exercise where I visualized and sent my astral body away. And he did some incantation or Egyptian or foreign sounding words like a ritual. Maybe I was in a trance or something, I was a little different at that time when working with him.

Elizabeth: Yes, you were different at that time, like under his mind control manipulation. I believe Mr. X was acting as David’s handler.

David:  He was asking me to say these specific words, and to “feel this thing in me” and just to kind of walk around with it to experience it. It was very weird, and I did get sick towards the end around that time. Really ill, sick.(More on the “thing” later)

Eve: Did you get pain in the back of your neck?

David: At the time we separated from Mr. X, I had a severe pressure sensation on the right side of my head that wouldn’t go away. About a week or more, sometimes I still get it. It was very intense right after the melding process was over. I think he was testing me to see what I was capable of, or to get me possessed by some entity.

Eve: Did he ever say if he had a girlfriend or was married?

Elizabeth: He was married multiple times. Maybe 7-8 times. All of them ended poorly.

David: Well he did tell me that he was using some of this techniques to get these women in his possession. I don’t know what happened maybe some of them got sick or caught on and left him.

Eve: Did you ever feel drained in his presence?

Elizabeth:  At first we felt very euphoric when we started doing psychic exercises with him. But there was always a down time where we felt exhaustion.

David: Mr. X had a friend involved with the HAARP project. During this time also, Mr. X had me do alot of research on HAARP, like where all the facilities were, how they were connected, what they were working on ,etc.  His friend was working on making  a machine that had quartz crystals, and electrical diodes, so that it would affect the HAARP grids somehow.

Mr. X also told me about someone in New Age and occult circles who had a girlfriend who was a psychic. They would go to parties and she would do readings for people, especially more affluent people. It was her career, the psychic girlfriend. I heard they would do this to do a form of gang stalking. You know, like the psychic would get all kinds of info and private stuff from affluent people or those at party, as a way to use that to gang stalk to make sure that they were not getting out of line. It’s like talking to a priest getting lots of info and using this info against the people to keep them in line. The persons he alluded to were using the psychic lady perhaps as an operative.

He was involved in alot of New Age circles.

Eve: Did he ever give you details on what he was called in to do for black ops or the milab handlers when they called him in for special jobs?

Elizabeth: He said something about a space craft in one of the underground bases like Area 51, and one craft was inoperable and Mr. X had knowledge of the alien script or symbols that enabled him to figure out how to operate the craft. He would literally then be able to operate the craft. Andromedan DNA strandings in him allowed him to identify the alien language and operate the alien craft. He had alien symbols–like 118 of them in his language that he knew. It looks like magical hieroglyphic type of writing. He also talked about things like light code frequencies and the need to reprogram our DNA and to change our upgrade our DNA so we could handle the frequencies on this planet.

David: Well that was another thing to explain. I mean one of the red flag things. It was a healing thing. Our one friend had a bad experience with it. This was later after we got away from him. He said there was a healing thing that would occur and encouraged people to practice a particular healing modality that would draw in energy through specific places and time. He also told us to use specific frequencies, two in particular, the heart frequency and a DNA activation frequency, before and during these healing events.

Eve: Did they speak in tones or voice or a recording?

Elizabeth: No it wasn’t a recording. They sent it, a CD.

Eve: I’ve heard from others that there are certain frequencies created and manipulated by reptilians to actually weaken and break down the astral body so that the person is more vulnerable for possession and attachment by these entities.

David: He was reeled into such and such a numerical Hz–the love frequency. He had us just to listen to that. He gave a recording to us, prior to the healing work. He had a CD recording by an artist who recorded this frequency and asked that the client listen to this repeatedly before and during healing. It was supposed to change or balance their DNA so it brought them into a more balanced state. As all of this went on, down the road, unfortunately all the people that he worked on started to get more and more unhealthy. And sick.There were little things that could crop up now and then and he would explain them away and rationalize whenever we challenged him. He didn’t get angry or become belligerent. He was calmly and rationally explain things. He had a way of being able to communicate and smooth things over.

Elizabeth: The one thing that really was a red flag was when he started trying to pit us one against the other once he had us in a cohesive group. I think his goal and objective was that he was our leader and that everybody was to follow him. He wanted to keep people in line. When we began to challenge things he would specifically challenged us on his authority. We questioned his authority.

David:  He was a low lipper, you know when couples put down one another, being condescending to us or others who challenged him. He did alot of that so it wasn’t a direct confrontation but a condescension, more general but aimed at keeping us in line and from questioning.

Eve: Was there any correlation between the frequencies and possession?

David: There was never a definitive correlation but it was more of a gradual moving into the ultimate possession kind of thing. There was never a definitive submit your will or ritual or whatever. The entity within must have known it should be an incremental process.

Eiizabeth:  He was really careful not to be too overt about this process. Not on the defensive. He was very accommodating. He would come off as a loving kind of man. He did not come off as very forceful or someone who was directly trying to manipulate or control.

Eve: How did he make his income?

Elizabeth: He was on a military pension.

Eve: What about his black ops job?

Elizabeth: He sometimes he would show us text messages that the  secret government “handlers” sent him telling him they needed him for something. Then they would say to meet him at a certain location they’d pick him up in a black helicopter, and take him to some secret underground base blindfolded. Then they would use him to be able to decipher some alien symbols and language. Because he had this unique gift or ability, the NSA specifically would come to him and called him to do this. Sometimes he was held against his will to do this. He was uncomfortable and didn’t want to do this. One time the NSA wanted him to astrally project himself to meet with beings on Alpha Centauri. They had some alien meet up that they wanted him to do. He occasionally got called to do off planet work. Like a go between for the military. Things that were highly unusual.

There were other people he had contact with, other ex-military people. I went to a home once to someone who was formerly retired military in another state. We went there for lunch and met up with another individual, a former AF colonel who said that he was Andromedan. I met this man and spoke with him. He told me a story that he was here as an ambassador. He explained that some humans are chosen to work with and through, and some humans make a soul contract prior to birth and they agree that they will allow certain entities to work through or with them. He was one of those people who was an Andromedan ambassador (more like an ET walk-in from birth.) But he chose a military career for this lifetime so he would be able to be involved in some of the projects our  government was involved in related to our space program. And to aeronautics to working with ETs off planet. He and Mr. X originally met each other at Area 51. He told a story where he (Mr. X) helped this man at the base and they discovered that he was an ET walk-in and they were questioning him. He was here under cover and came into this human body, to work along with what was happening with our governments involvement with ETs. He being an ET himself but not allowing that to be known. He said that he had a ship that was here, the ship had been damaged and that it was in a nearby state. He told us he was working on trying to find the proper fuel cell to re-operate his ET craft. His craft was supposedly cloaked for invisibility, but you could sense where it was.

David: A few times Mr. X would talk to him and other military contacts on the phone in my presence. Like one time it appeared the other military person on the phone did not or were not in on his schtick. His secret life with ETs. They didn’t have knowledge of the ET walk-in situation of Mr. X’s real identity. When he was talking on the phone he’d say that he was such and such now. Like another personality. Other military friends he’d talk to on the phone weren’t necessarily in the know about his other identity.

Eve: Did he ever do this to other women in the group, other similar behaviors like psychic linking or love bitey stuff?

Elizabeth: There were some other women in our group that he would be developing an attraction for them and wanting some kind of relationship with them. I clearly rejected his attentions, but he was doing the same form of sexual manipulation with other women.

David: I think that had something to do with the entities, background entities doing the manipulations. I did have alot more awareness about this. Mr. X told me not to smoke, be healthy to be in contact with these beings. To be in contact with these beings I had to quit smoking and try not to eat meat. To keep my frequency level of the body high.

Elizabeth: But he had all kinds of health issues.

David: We had this bio analysis test, it reads various functions. My markers were all green meaning healthy, and his were all red like most of his body functions were off in his body, they were breaking down and being destroyed. I think it was the entities feeding on him.

One of the really interesting things that he said right from get go about changes that would occur with us and our body changes, we were actually going to have this Octopi looking creature inside our body. And that it would have tendrils that would come out of it that could touch other people, or access energy. He said that so cavalairly like there was nothing wrong or unusual with that. And I had this disgusting image of this octopus thing in my body. But he said that it was no big deal.

Eve: Did he have one?

David: He talked about it like he had that octopus like thing in him.

Eve: I’ve heard about psychic vampires in the literature and it’s in my Dark Side of Cupid book on the Psychic Vampire chapter about how their aura and energy body appears. It is an octopus like writhing mass of tendrils that can reach out and connect and link in with others to connect and feed on others energy. 

David: When I visualized it , it was like a dark grey, green just you know maybe ocotpi thing with spines, the image came to my mind.

Eve: Did he ever say he needed to take in energy or say he was feeling low in energy and needed to feed?

Elizabeth: He was a big hugger. He told us from that right from the beginning, that that was what he needed to do, was to hug people. Even complete strangers.

David: That was wild.

Elizabeth: I think that anybody that was involved with Mr. X would eventually feel drained. He was pulling energy from them. And as he became more involved with the people in the community, there were others that came to him for healing independently, and as they worked with him their health suffered as time went on. It wasn’t obvious in the beginning. But the more time they spent with him the sicker they got. I think eventually what happened  is that people began to doubt this man and wondered what his real story was. And as we a family became vocal, was when we realized he was clearly taking advantage and his intentions were not all good.

We had an encounter with him. Basically saying “we don’t quite support you are your agenda. This is not what we feel we need to do or be”. As we started seeing more inconsistencies we called him on them. It was like the more we came together as a group they more he tried to divide us and created alot of division within our family, our relationships with others, and everything started to break apart and  be torn apart. We had an encounter with him one day because he had left his travel trailer on our property and when things finally ended, we told him that it was time to leave and take his trailer. There was a woman we knew who was still hanging around with him and bought into his whole program, a blind thinker. She was individually involved in his healing work, but it was like she was possessed. Mr. X always exonerated her by telling others and her what a pure and empty vessel she was. And how easy she was to basically “fill”.

David: He gave her the most high adulation because of that, not because she was the smartest or strongest or the best healer. It was because she was the one who was most willing to empty herself to be a vacant vessel for him to do as he willed. So when this finally ended she and Mr. X came to my property and we had a confrontation.

Elizabeth: I asked him to take his things and it was time to go. The woman with him got out of the vehicle and started acting out of control. Railing in on us spitting, screaming and a vacant stare and she was not like herself. Like she was temporarily possessed. The only way I could describe it, is that she was taken over or something.

Eve: Did you ever say anything or confront him with the name of Jesus?

Elizabeth: Well, what I did was just tell him that he needed to turn his heart back to God, to ask for forgiveness so that he could be transmuted by God’s love.

David: And when she was telling Mr. X that, I was watching him and it was like “nobody was home”. This actually happened once before when we were with another family member and he was talking to a bunch of people in town. And somehow a local Pastor got word of this situation. He came in with his Bible and started calling him out and stuff. I don’t think the Pastor knew, he was a young guy and didn’t know what he was dealing with. Mr. X just sat there like an empty vessel, he said nothing like a stone statue. I think a regular person would talk back or challenge him, he was like a zombie sitting there.

Elizabeth: While this was going on Mr. X was unusually calm as a cucumber. He didn’t even react to the raging woman with him.

There was another time, a strange kind of thing when I just watched my computer get destroyed by a virus, when he told us we were being monitored by the NSA and he told us “we were being watched”. We’d be on the phone and hear strange clicks. When Mr. X and I had telephone conversations, I would hear strange noises on the phone and he would say we were being listened to, etc. He would name the state  of the offices where the monitor was, the people in the office, like he was remote viewing them. He went into intense detail and who was listening to us and why. We would go into these conversations about ETs and things like that and it was all very strange. We were being watched. Then one day I watched my computer fry in front of me, some virus. Strange things happened around him. Earlier on when I was meeting him in a public place, I discovered the next day that I found that someone hacked into my bank card and had charged a bunch of crystals in a nearby store. My card was not gone and it was in my possession the whole time. But he was with me. He told us other energy techniques on how to protect ourselves. Like to put a spiritual belt on yourself using like a girdle or something to put around the solar plexus area. He always put emphasis on the counterclockwise motion, everything had to move counterclockwise.

David: He specifically said clockwise was weak and wrong. Almost like a star wars thing like the dark side is a stronger force.

He would sometimes react to things in movies we watched like the French film of the mid 90’s called “The Green Beautiful” when everyone boycotted the corporations and everyone refused to cooperate with the evil control system. He walked out during that scene as if in “I dont agree” mode.

Another time I had a print out of a bunch of things that the Jedi were about, like honors, etc. and I read it to him. They were codes of honor and things about always being balanced, good, etc. He walked out and didn’t want to hear it.

At the time I played video games like Dark Siders 2 and Devil May Cry. So much of the themes in movies and pop culture and these games was about the Nephilim and them being viewed as heros. The message of these games seemed to be geared towards the return of the Nephilim. In the Devil May Cry there are demons fighting against mankind. Unseen forces fighting in the background against humanity kind of thing. But the twist and spin is the hero worship of the Nephilim.

Eve: So was there any real ET encounters or did you see anything like that with him or did he?

Elizabeth: No he would tell us stuff like how cloud formations looked like a mother ship or a craft.

David: To me he was big on the psychodrama aspect, like stimulating that. One time when I was at his house we would just watch alien movies all the time. So in the process of him teaching me he would constantly saturate me in that or imbue us in that constantly. He was always doing things like sending and projecting energy out to people and working within a space. And oftentimes after he would leave, people could tell a change in the energy.

Elizabeth: This one particular woman he was working with had a healing system she was using. It involved having vials of a fluid that were specifically matched to certain “healing frequencies” and that sort of thing. I watched him change the frequency of the vials of liquid she was working with. And so he was definitely manipulating energy of people and things around him. And at the end of it after we kind of broke it off with him, but David was still a bit involved. We actually had to do a family intervention with David because he was still under the control and influenced by Mr. X and didn’t really know it.

David: We had a long sit down and I’ve never had an experience like this before. They– my family and some close friends kept confronting me on it like I was in a cult  “programmed” and I kept fighting them on it. But I actually had the sensation of getting hotter and hotter. I finally did break, and it felt like I broke a fever. I actually broke out in a sweat. Very agitated. I just kept getting hotter and hotter.

Elizabeth: We kept sending positive energy to him, and talking to him, and making statements about Mr. X’s inconsistencies and influence.

David: Finally I just broke, and I felt myself coming back to a semblance to normal. It was quite a time before I really felt like myself again, it took some time. In fact for a time, I felt empty, like a child, not knowing what to do or say, kind of lost. But I regained my sense of self after a while.

Elizabeth:  And after that David had psychic attacks. He was 24 at that time.

David: Once he did leave I had night terrors. I used to have them when I was a kid.  I never saw things except geometric shapes, have a real bad ringing and absolute feeling of terror. When I was young from 5-7 to 14/15 I had those kinds of experiences. But nothing until after this breaking if off with Mr. X. I would sense an attack at a certain time of the week about the bewitching hour, 2-3 am. I would feel something negative in the room, just skulking, something there that was trying to threaten or just trying to be there. My intuitive sense was that they thought they had me, and really wanted me. We did alot of prayer.

I still was not or didn’t believe in the power of Jesus, but it was something that I wished I used at that time period, just to test it and see if it worked. The attacks were very consistent, it always involved having this pressure on right side of my head, I still get it sometimes. It was like he knew what was going on. For example, if my mom would leave the house, and then within a few minutes he would call on the phone just to get me on the phone to talk. So we had a couple of conversations and I told him we didn’t want him around the family.

He’s not in our area anymore maybe an hour away. Several months ago I did run into him. I didn’t say anything to him, I was with my girlfriend. But I did cordially say hello and I shook his hand out of polite gesture. And my God, what I felt! The first thing he said was , “The entities are gone.” he said that. Whether it was his guilty conscience I don’t know. I shook his hand and it was like black lightening. That was how it felt–you don’t want to touch this man!

He would just be vacant, I didn’t see his eyes turn black. But one time he called in another entity when I was with him and it felt different but he changed significantly.

Elizabeth: I think you could tell when the different ETs came in because each one had a distinct personality. We could identify them.

David: I would feel and sense something coming into the room. Sometimes he would bring something into himself and I was just watching and sensed it coming down. He did that with us sometimes and with a friend who was going to have a baby. Like pulling down some energy or entity to help, etc. Creepy.

Elizabeth: He had us all do certain energy techniques to my daughter-in-law and one time we saw energy projected into her body. But luckily she didn’t get pregnant.

Eve: Did you feel psychic attacks after this too?

Elizabeth: No, but I felt a deep sense of dread, at that point I fully understood what he was and I figured we were dealing with some kind of demonic entity.

David: Mom did challenge him but I really didn’t. I was the last person to come out of it. So she had more of an experience of telling him and the entities off.

Elizabeth: They/he tried with David longer. With me, Mr. X wanted to align himself with me romantically but he also knew he couldn’t cross a line with me. One time I was sensing my own energy and power coming over me. In his presence. Almost channelling speaking about God, divine source, about being a light being and speaking about the origins of the Earth and Gods spiritual plan for this planet. He sat there with rapt attention listening as if they wanted or needed to hear this. I think what was happening is that they were so detached from the light and the Source, they desperately needed to be around that. Alot of what he kept trying to pull from me was that energy and connect with it in some way. Even though he couldn’t but a part of him wanted to. It was like I was speaking on a higher level confronting these entities and resetting the balance and helping them understand where I was at.

Eve: What about his intense focus on the HAARP project?

David: The HAARP experience. I don’t know if this was him placating me or what since I was into alot of the conspiracy research, etc. He was getting me to research the HAARP facilities, where they were all over the world, remote viewing them, essentially he wanted to destroy these facilities, using some sort of psychic means. And a device which his friend was working on.  Putting weird crystals into some kind of electrical thing, a large quartz crystal with different wires. His ultimate plan was to take this device and connect it to a satellite and send some signals to the HAARP facilities or something. For some reason he was against the HAARP system. They are all over the world. The Russian facility and US facility were communicating with one another. I don’t know what his idea was behind it. But I was able to identify targets using my psychic abilities to decipher where things were and how these facilities were connecting or communicating with one another. They could make a grid around the earth, a barrier. He kept saying that was bad and a negative thing–the electromagnetic grid all over the earth. He said that he and his people–the ETs wanted to get rid of the grid. It’s possible the HAARP is part of the Star Wars program.

Elizabeth: I think he was trying to create rips and holes in the space time continuum to bring these entities in our reality, to the earth plane. Whether they were coming up through the earth or from above from their ships or another dimension. From the outside in. Anything that was trying to grid or protect the earth, Mr. X was very much against.

David: From his story it’s hard to know what is true, what isn’t. That is the one thing that stuck out to me.

Eve: Like bring in entities through portals and then possessing or attaching to people. I believe they are really working on possession in reality.

David: It reminds me of the themes of some movies like in the Avengers, the mini-CERN instrument being used by dark forces to create wormholes to being in entities. And the in Dark Sider 2 video games, how the Nephilim are restoring their balance. In the Devil May Cry game it’s about the twins. It reminds me of the Enki/Enlil theme. Demons that exist in a parallel universe become revealed and exist with us. By the end of the game they are physically manifested. Not Christian games but playing on the Revelation symbolism, the abyss being opened.

Elizabeth: That’s why we heavily began to question him. How much of this is really ET and how much is really demonic. Interdimensional beings, they seemed to be some other energetic type of being. They certainly have an agenda. As if they need human hosts and need to parasite us. Not just for energy but to carry out their agenda. It’s all very interesting that while working with Mr. X we all became quite psychic. All of our sensitivities were heightened and it was almost like a drug. At first it was euphoric. I had alot of dreams of unusual devices used by ETs and he wanted to know about the dreams, what they were used for. On and off planet. Even my daughter saw some unusual things in dreams with symbols, complex things during this time period. Psychic connections and experiences.

David: He was teaching me how to project energy out of my hands and fingers like water coming out. To stick your hand out and point someone with the energy aiming out to a person to get an aura or energy read, and the energy normally goes to them and you can get a read on someone. But with him I couldn’t read him. He had like a silver shield on him. The same energy I projected out to him came back to me. He would deliberately shield himself.

Eve: Did anyone ever see his aura or do a psychic kind of reading on Mr. X while you were with him?

David:  Well there was this one shaman that told us that Mr. X was not to be trusted.

Elizabeth: Well what happened there was this woman who used to own a healing center, and we had a group of us that went to this space. He wanted to open up a healing center. The woman who owned the property asked a shaman to read the people interested in the center and let her know if they were ok.  We spoke with her, and after she met with us she asked a South American shaman on a read on all three of us. I was ok in good standing, and my other woman friend but he–Mr. X was not, and was not to be trusted.

That also helped validate what I was sensing and another “red flag”. He really wanted to control this local group of people.

Eve: I wonder how many spiritual groups are now being controlled by such a kind of person or group of possessed people. Wolves in sheep’s clothing so to speak.

Elizabeth: Well he was actually run out of town. We found out from the other large metropolitan city he used to work in. A large southern city. Basically he came on the run to the mountains to hide out. People were apparently after him and looking for him.

David: He would get different phone calls when I was there, and he would claim to be someone else and not who he really was. One time a woman asked him who he was and if he wasn’t Mr. X then who are you? Then the entity within would tell her, Well “the original name is in a well of souls”, in another dimension somewhere.

Elizabeth: But we know at least one incident of a death with someone he was working with in another city. And then there was a woman here involved in alot of spiritual work. But I felt she was a bit negative and she had very poor health and ultimately died.

David: It’s my feeling that Mr. X was actually trying to feed off of her and he took too much. It was my moms replacement, another woman who Mr. X was trying to get real close to. It was an older woman with some health issues. But not long after she met up with him she confronted him on his “red flags” and it was less than a month that she got so ill she died. At the end she told other friends of ours that he was evil, that he was taking the life out of her. She wouldn’t allow him to come to the hospital, she told her friends, “they/he are trying to kill me”. She died really quickly.

David: He talked about alot of ET stuff, not all of that stuff added up all the time. But that was what he was projecting to us. The practices he would do had nothing to do with ETs. For one thing with my sister, he put a crystal in water and always wanted it to be under her bed. That is like a shamanic magical thing trying to have a receptor on my younger sisters bedroom. She was having bad dreams, nightmares during a period of time so he told us to do that for protection.

Also the copper rods, amethyst, metal conductors. setting it up in a grid pattern so you can have a grid of receptivity for remote viewing. He did this with others in the community. To do this so that they could be basically spied on via remote viewing. Although he said it was for protection.

I’m not into magic but he wrote out specific symbols and sygils for us and one night he took out a scrying bowl with a candle and everything and started to do that, and that had nothing to do with aliens. At some point it had something to do with esoteric practices because he grew up around that kind of thing. He was a magician, the practices did not match his story.

Eve:  It’s interesting about the military, and how they are involved with ETs and occult practices, “walk-ins” and what seems to be possession of people by these entities.

Elizabeth: I wonder if the military know what they are really involved in and to what extent. My concern is that they are playing with forces that they don’t fully understand and that is really dangerous. I fear for our own military and government because they are opening doors to these creatures and beings who may not be what they say they are and have ulterior motives we will regret.

Well if I guess if they are trying to create supersoldiers they are using this as a power or force to manipulate humans and control them from that standpoint.

Our whole reason for wanting to come forward with our story is that we feel that people need to begin to understand  that there is alot more to this phenomenon about what is happening. It’s interesting and unique in that it didn’t involve us specifically but grew into our spirituality group, our whole community being influenced by this.

I think alot of people don’t want to face the dark side, especially the New Agey love and light community where is everything is supposed to be good and positive. And when you begin to question or challenge that everything is not what it appears to be, then suddenly people don’t want to talk anymore. That’s why it was a blessing to find someone like you with your books and everything. Gee we are not alone in this….these strange experiences that we had.

Eve: Alot of businesses, ways of life, and entire identities are built around so many of these New Age beliefs and practices that I think they don’t want to look at the angle of deception here and the big red flags. They are financially invested and their businesses may collapse. Plus I think it’s programming in and of itself to the extent of being an empty and open vessel and not being discerning. A red flag, like the woman who was a perfect empty vessel.

Elizabeth: I think we need to learn how to step into our own power and to believe in doing what we are as a divine soul or spirit and not to forget our place and what we were created to be. And instead of always giving up and giving away our power to all these other places, entities and beings. Stand firm in our own power in who and what we really are and I think we can change the world this way. And make it something completely different.

Eve: It’s good to be able to talk and have open dialogue so others won’t be afraid of opening up and talking. Fostering an environment of openness and dialogue is good.

David: This experience challenged many of my beliefs it made me go back to the drawing table and dig alot deeper in my research and what I was looking at. I like listening to alot of your stuff and George Kavassilas’s material. I enjoy listening to him because I identify with that. Before this experience I consumed everything, without discernment because I really wanted a good experience. I had my guard down. But now I’m more skeptical.

Eve:  Even the alternativemedia is controlled to a certain extent and there is an unconscious rule,  a covert “no-talk rule” about too much negativity and spiritual deception.They won’t cover too negative material or deceptions. Or the solutions to them. Or they will only show the dark side full of fear without solutions or clarity on the real issues. We are shedding light on the darkness. To break free from the programming rule of “see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil”. When we do not ask questions, this leaves us wide open to become vessels for perfect takeover!

I want to thank you Elizabeth and David for sharing your experience with me and being willing to have this brought out to larger numbers.