Hello, my name is Lisa Harrison, and today, for me, is Tuesday the 19th of June, 2012, and

I’m speaking with an individual who goes by the name of Cobra. Cobra appeared on the scene

via a website called 2012 Portal just in march of this year, and Cobra claims to be a member

of an Underground resistance movement, and the Website, 2012 portal website, acts as both a

platform for making public announcements, as well as coded communication with fellow

resistance members. Cobras Identity is, at this stage, uh, private, which is why this is

audio only, and his voice will be in fact modified, mine will just sound modified because I’m

sick with a cold, but this is what I sound like at the moment. So welcome cobra.


Cobra: Thank you for this invitation.


Lisa: thank you for agreeing to it. I’ve been looking forward to this. Um, I don’t know, I

know that there is a lot you can’t talk about, but as I’m not very clear on the guidelines,

if it’s OK with you, I’ll just ask a bunch of questions and you just answer what you can.


Cobra: Yes, we can go this way for sure.


Lisa: OK. Now, you’ve talked about this resistance movement, and I was wondering if you

could tell me when it was created, when did this resistance movement come together.


Cobra: OK there are two phases of creation of the resistance movement. The first phase

started in the mid 70’s, by a certain individual, that has a code named Michael, this is not

his real name, but this is his code name and he actually gathered a group of people around

him, basically just to survive, because he was chased after by the cabal. And, by running

for his life he discovered a maze of tunnels beneath the new york subway system, and he

created his base there. and by expanding forward there were other beings living below the

surface of the earth in under ground caverns, and he made contacts with those people, and

so, this was the formation of the group called the “organization”. This was the first phase

of the Resistance Movement. But in the late 90’s this organization was under strong attacks

from the cabal, which was quite more powerful at the time, and was almost completely wiped

out, in 1999. So the call for help was sent to the extraterrestrial positive forces, and they

brought enforcements, in the shape of many millions of very skilled fighters, that came from

planet x, and those fighters were teleported, to the upper crust of earths surface, those

underground caverns, and they regrouped there. So this group actually then reorganized and

made a plan to continue liberating g this planet from the influence from the cabal, so this

plan is now being accelerated, as you probably already know, and we are now in the phases

when we start talking about the final liberation of this planet.


Lisa: So these people, that live below the surface, are these the ones that we would know as

the Agarthians?


Cobra: Uh, yes, this is quite connected, um, behind the resistance movement there are other

beings, which are not actually skilled fighters, but are very spiritual advanced people, who

actually hold the balance of the situation, without them doing meditations every day, without

them connecting with the source everyday, this planet would be destroyed many times over. So

there’s actually a spiritual part of this underground movement, underground civilization, and

many channels, and many light workers, from that civilization Agartha. This is just one of

the names. there are actually many very evolved beings living down under there.


Lisa: Interesting. Now, if I heard you correctly, in your previous interview, you said there

were 300 individuals on what you would consider the front line of this resistance, and 20

million around the planet. did I hear that right?


Cobra: OK I will explain. there are about 300 which are on the surface of the planet,

infiltrated into the system of the cabal. they’ll infiltrated in position, high in the

military, and especaily in the alphabet agencies, intelligence agencies, positions of that

nature. And the rest of them, about 20 million at this time, they are not living on the

surface, they are living under ground and never have come to the surface. They will only

come to the surface if necessary.


Lisa: what would be deemed “if necessary”?


Cobra: Um there are actually special plans being prepared, I am not allowed to speak about

yet, but in a few days I might, and I will explain these in my blog.


Lisa: SO, these 300 and these 20 million, are primarily made up of ETS who have come here,

not humans?


Cobra: Actually, they are in human bodies, if you would meet one of them in the street, they

would look like everybody else. Those people have incarnated on planet x, which is a planet

situated on the outer range of the solar system. and some of them even had some incarnation

on planet earth, actually one of them I know had some incarnations in Egypt. But mostly,

these people are, I would consider the same as star seeds on planet earth. And we have about

5 million star seeds incarnated on planet earth, on the surface of the planet, that have took

many earth incarnations, and I would say that both those factions are quite similar in

their structure of psychology, and outlook.



Lisa: Now you said yourself that you are a Pleiadian incarnated on earth.


Cobra: Yes, that’s true.


Lisa: Were you born with full memory, of who you are, where you came from, and why you are

here? Or did that come later?


Cobra: Uh yes, most of the memory, i would say not 100 percent, but I was always aware I am

not coming from here, and I have a certain mission here. I never forgot that.


Lisa: So how important was the recent Venus transit to whats going on here at the moment.


Cobra: Venus transit is one of the turning points for the planetary liberation, because this

is the day when the Goddess energy finally returned completely, to planet earth, and has been

anchored, inside the physical matter of planet earth. This is a very strong energy that

actually brings balance and peace. After ruling 5000 years of constant wars and conflicts.

And this energy influences everyone, including the cabal, so this is the reason why they

were starting to consider surrendering. They never had that idea before, they had this

delusional thinking that they are omni powerful and omni present, and they can do anything

they want and get away with it, but now they are starting to realize that might not be the



Lisa: Is this only a small faction that are considering surrender? Or is this across the



Cobra: Not everybody, but but many of them. And right now as we speak, there is actually a

conflict inside the cabal, whether to surrender or not. So well see, very soon actually,

what happens.


Lisa: So in addition to maybe the energy that came in with the transit was sort of the tipping

point, but, were they considering surrendering prior to that, and if so, why would they? what

could possibly frighten them enough to consider it?


Cobra: Actually, the light is getting more and more powerful day by day, the cabal is

beginning to realize their plans are not going as they wished them to be, so the actually

situation is starting to move them in this direction.


Lisa: That’s interesting. So at the moment, we’ve got several people talking about possible

surrender, and we’ve got this, 21st, which is only in two days time for me, deadline. The

problem I see at the moment, is that people have been hanging on, so to speak, one deadline

date after another, after another, that have come and gone, and we’ve not seen any re-

election, were not seeing anything break through to the mass media, were not you know, to

our knowledge, everyone is still in place and they’re still doing what they’d always planned

to do. If this date of the 21st comes and goes again, that’l be it, that may well be the

final straw because there’s been so much talk of it. How do you foresee a surrender or not,

breaking through, I mean, are they really going to come on to mass media, on mainstream

television and talk about what they’ve done and who they are? I mean, that is going to blow

so many minds.


Cobra: OK first let me explain about the deadlines. This is a huge process and each deadline

is just one step in this process, until the major breakthrough happens. And when the major

break through happens it will be really major for everybody. And it will actually include

things like the cabal stepping up to the mass media and saying what they did, or them being

arrested or anything of that nature. So if the 21st of June comes and goes, which is

possible, then the further plans will be implemented are being prepared right now. SO I would

not fix myself on any certain date, I would focus more on the process itself. It, from one

perspective nothing is going on and they are still in power, but if yo look in the background,

there are many changes happening daily. and also if there would not be any activity of

the light forces, the situation would be much much much worse. there was a lot of talk a bout

war between Israel and Iran a few months ago and all this has been almost canceled. there

had been talk about new world order putting everybody in the FEMA camps. and why has this not

happened. exactly because of the activity of the light forces. so the light is real, it is

proceeding…. there are no guarantees about exact date of the break through, but were

getting close and closer. And each of those deadlines is a step further in that process. So

I will say there is a certain possibility the cabal will surrender the 21 of jun and if they

don’t which is also possible, then further plans will be implemented and I will update people

about this when it is necessary and when it is appropriate, on my blog


Lisa: I wanted to speak about your blog, because I had an amazing synchronistic event.

(laughs) Because, I had a, I don’t know whether you’d call it a vision, or a download or

something, about 3 years ago, and I’ve not had any external conformation or validation for

it. and I’ve been talking about it for the last few years as the rinse and repeat cycle of

reincarnation. and you described it perfectly on your blog today,. which I just think the

synchronicity of that on the day we’re do to speak is remarkable.


Cobra: Yes. You see, synchronicities like this one are happening, exactly for the reason if

people have doubts, to give them hope and guidance, that this is all happening, this is all

being planned from forces much greater than all of us. this is coming directly from the



Lisa: when we first corresponded, it was because of information you put out about Archons,

and my question to you was, had you, um, had you read any of ???(John Lan Leshes)?? work on

the Archons. You said yes, and that there was some truth int it. can i get your definition

of what an Archon is and where they come from?


Cobra: OK. Archon is actually a being that has been subjected to very strong unnatural

mutation process, um, long time ago in the galactic history, there was such a group of

beings that were in fact very powerful angels, and they wanted to experience matter, so the

devised very advanced technology based on electromagnetic fields, that distorted the space

and time continuum, and they subjected themselves to this technology, and this has changed

their consciousness. and this is the source of evil as you would describe it. and those

beings had been very powerful angels before, and after this process, they became very

powerful, i would say, demons. and they actually created current in earth, and they ruled

this planet for the last 25,000 years, and now its time,e for them to go. their time is up.

Lisa: So basically on the prophecies that have about the procession of the equinoxes, and the

awakenings that happen at this time, this little experiment of there’s, was it always going

to have a time frame, it was always going to have to end at this time. They had 26,000 years

to mess around, but that was always going to be it.


Cobra: yes, actually there is a special time line which has not been disclosed to humanity

yet. by that specific date, these things need to be erased. and it will be erase. It will

end. One way or the other.


Lisa: (laughs) its that one way or the other thing that gets people nervous. Um, so where

and if, do the Grey s, the Grey ETs fit in with the Archons


Cobra: OK, the Greys are just one of the many races which were subjected genetic engineering

and modification of consciousness in the galactic history, and uh, they have been protected

on this planet in the last I would say 50years, but in the last few years, this has been

cleared. And At this moment, there are no more negative ET entities on the planet at this

moment, except those who are incarnated in human bodies, as the cabal. So there are no

strange funny looking ETS flying around in their machines, around the planet right now.

Lisa: Is that interdimensionaly as well? in the 4th, or 5th or wherever, or…


Cobra: Yes, As i have already described many times, where there is any darkness, is the thin

surface layer of this planet, the physical plane and on those higher non-physical planes as

well and this is what I have described in my last article. This is the only thing left.

Lisa: So when you say, those who are incarnated as human beings in the cabal, it is entirely

possible for these Archons to manifest physically, here as humans


Cobra: Oh yes. Several of them have incarnated on the physical plane, especially among the

Jesuits, because it is the only vibration which suits them


Lisa: My on research about-


Cobra: A few hundred years ago, there were many more incarnated, because the vibration of this

planet was much lower, but as the vibration gets higher, it is hard for them maintain their

physical bodies, so, we’ve not this few of them, on the physical plane.


Lisa: So , there’ll be people listening to this, who, when you said the Jesuits, believe

they’re just a religious order.


Cobra: I can explain . 90 percent of Jesuits, are good heart-ed people, and they really

believe that everything is OK, and they have their connection with the Source, but 10

percent are not, and among that 10 percent there is a certain faction, that are extremely

dangerous and extremely evil, and have to be stopped. And they’re actually the ones leading

the whole organization, and not just that organization, they’re actually in control, to a

certain extent, of the physical plane on this planet.


Lisa: I’m surprised to hear you say only 10 percent. I honestly thought it was much greater

percentage than that, and from what I understand, the Jesuits are a military order, they are

assassins, masquerading as priests.


Cobra: Something like that. They were actually a military order hundreds of years ago, and

they have evolved, and now, I would say they Command, military forces, through their

connections, especially with the Rothschilds. So you have a few top Archons in the Jesuit

factions, and they control the Rothschilds, and the Rothschilds have very deep connections in

the military industrial complex, and with that , they control through the military around

the world, they control the physical plane. And of course, through the Rothschild faction,

also the financial faction. But those few Archons inside the Jesuit factions are the ones

who say what is going to happen and what is not going to happen.


Lisa: So at the moment, we’ve got a situation where the Vatican is kind of hemorrhaging

whistle blowers. Do you think that is a genuine collapse of that organization>? or is it a

manipulated one, to appear..


Cobra: You see what is interesting to me to observe, always, when the resistance movement,

clear some of those Archons, or does something about them, there is (unintelligible) in the

Vatican. So this has happened a few years ago, this is happening again, so I would say this

is a reaction of the Vatican, because the power is being cut off from the Jesuits, they have

less and less power each day, and this for sure triggers a reaction of those who are

subordinate to those Jesuits, and of course they’re reacting because there is some truth

leaked out, and there is some reaction, and also some manipulation included. But yes, there

is some reaction that is a direct consequence of the Jesuit Archons losing their power.


Lisa: So can we say the same thing about the financial collapse? that this is a genuine

financial collapse that is out of the control of the cabal? and not one of their

orchestrated collapses in order to bring in a one world currency?


Cobra: Um, there are actually 2 sides of this story. this collapse, actually I would say

this way. the cabal was planning their collapse along time ago, and they initiated this

collapse, with the same thing they had many times before, to grab peoples gold, and grab

more money and get more control. But, the whole collapse was, there are higher forces that

are leading this collapse in a way, that actually will take power away from the cabal. So by

trigger that, they are actually being their own (unintelligible) because, the light forces,

in the last few months, have taken a lot of control, they have much more power over the

financial system. Which doesn’t mean that the financial system is…the financial system IS

still in the hands of the Rothschilds. But, there is a certain computer program, which

actually drives the whole financial system, and this computer program has received a virus,

on the 21st of may this year, so the light forces can actually shut down the whole system,

just like that they just, flip the switch and it’s gone. and this is what would happen in

the case of the mass arrests scenario, if the scenario is going to be executed in the way

it was planned, and the light forces just switch off the banking system and we have a

banking holiday around the world, everywhere. And this for the purpose of cutting them away

from their money. Because they still have access to that money, they have much less then they

have in the past, but they still have enough to survive and run their show, as you can

probably see, because the cabal needs, I would say a few billion dollars every day to

control everybody, to control their minions, to control the military, to keep the show

running. And if they get less then lets say, one or two billion daily, they’re in big


Lisa: So what about the Olympics coming up. there’s a lot of talk about a terrorist attack, a

false flag event. Are you aware of any plans they may have had for the Olympics?


Cobra: Um, yes, they’ve had plans, but this is not going to happen. They’ve had many plans

for many things, and most of them did not happen. Exactly because of the activity of the

light forces.


Lisa: I know there’s a lot of talk, and you’ve mentioned it before, but, Earth changes,

Severe Earth changes. Most of the information coming to us about earth changes that will

happen, are coming from off world sources, as are the information about you know, they’ll me

mitigated. But there’s nothing that I’m aware of, really here on the ground, to suggest, that

we are in for earth changes. Nobody’s talking about it from a, you know, from studying the

planet and whats going on with it. Um, its been said that this is just another fear

paradigm, um, that is being orchestrated either by the darker ETS or by the cabal. Why is,

If in fact earth changes are in part of this process, why?


Cobra: OK, this is quite a complex story, and I’ll try to explain. Actually Earth Changes,

were part, uh, of what was about to happen on this planet, this was predicted, not

(unintelligible) but um, the activity of the light forces have diminished the impact of those

changes dramatically. So actually the Positive ET races had been expecting those earth

changes to happen a long time ago, and they did not, because of the activity of the light

forces on this planet. And there might be some earth changes happening, but not in 2012,

much later than that. They might happen after a certain, um, like the critical mass of

humanity will awaken. And the purpose of those earth changes happening is to Purify the

planet. But day by day the situation is brighter and brighter, so there is nothing to fear.

And yes, there is scientific evidence of those tings. There is a scientist by the name of

Paul (unintelligible) that uh, is speaking about the activity of the galactic central sun.

And uh, actually, those earth changes are happening cyclically, every 26,000 years, when the

galactic central sun gets active, and right now, we are entering the period of increased

activity of the galactic central sun. We also have said the positive light forces can direct

eh energy of the galactic central sun in a balance way, so that this process is not

traumatic for humanity. So I would say that there is nothing to fear.


Lisa: OK. I don’t know whether you can answer this or not, but Drake, Wilcock, Fulford, and

the Post Master General. These are all people I know you are aware of. Are they all in touch

with the same group you’re in touch with.?


Cobra: Um, the only thing I can say, uh I will say this, one of the contacts that Drake has,

has been contacted by one of the 300 agents of the resistance movement. And so the only

contact I know, that has a real connection with the resistance , not directly, but

indirectly. Other people do not have direct access to this, but they get Intel from their

various sources.


Lisa: And is, to your knowledge, is the post mast general, genuine, and playing a positive

role in all of this?


Cobra: I would say that everybody needs to have their own discernment regarding to who is

genuine or what, I will not give any estimates or intel about this. So everybody needs to

use their own discernment and intuition and rational mind um, who is genuine and who is not.


Lisa: I’m more curious as to whether or not there is any point, to going down that road, if

you know what i mean, if its all going to come crumbling down?


Cobra: I didn’t quite understand?


Lisa: Oh OK, well, going through the Process that the Post Master General has proposed, you

know, if its all going to come crashing down, is there really any point in even going down

that road?


Cobra: Well, I would say its a guided crash (unintelligible) the crash, the transformation,

and its guided from above, so its not like um, end of the world or anything of that nature,

its actually just the mission that will lead towards a new society.


Lisa: Mhm. Now you’ve also said that the Pleiadians will initiate first contact, once the

cabal is removed,. But what constitutes removed?


Cobra: This means that they have no more say in anything on this planet. Either they

surrender or they are arrested, but they get out of the way, because they are blocking this

everyday. The top members of the Cabal are well aware of the Pleiadians, and other positive

light forces, and they are preventing this first contact, day after day, year after year,

and the time has come to simply get them out of the way, so that first contact can happen.


Lisa: How can they prevent it though? I mean, whats stopping you guys, whats stopping the

pleiadians from just appearing en masse?


Cobra: um first uh, um, the cabal is uh, holding all humanity hostage. So, for example the

pleadiesnke a mass landing right now and what would this trigger, it would be,

uhm, the cabal would simply release all its military arsenal on people in including, uh, not

any more nuclear weapons at this point, but uh, chemical weapons and all the conventional

things they have, they would just create a massacre around the planet. So they first need to

be stopped, and then the pleiadian’s can appear.


Lisa: So they’re actually holding humanity as a human shield against any action like that

from happening.


Cobra: Exactly, Exactly. This is whats happening and this has been in place for the last

2500 year. 2600 years. The same situation.


Lisa: So once they are removed and, what does first contact look like, does it look like

mass sighting or is it going to be too mind altering for people?


Cobra: Its a process, so after the cabal is removed, the pleadiesn will contact few selected

public individuals, will go to the mass media, present evidence, and then the pleiadian’s

will start appearing more and more, more and more publicly, up until the point when there

will be official contact made, between the pleiadian’s representative, and the planetary

representatives of human population. And those representatives of the human population,

they’ll be people from the government, that, the type of government that will exist at that

time, and also some other individuals, so there’ll be a small group of earth population,

meeting a small group of Pleiadians, and that will be um, official diplomatic contact, that

will be broadcast over the mass media around the planet. And this will be an official um,

there will be an official invitation for the earth to be accepted inside the galactic

confederation. And this first contact official diplomatic first contact will happen as a

response to that invitation. And that will initialize a process of the actual acceptance of

the planet. That will take some time, and, then the Pleiadians and the other races will

introduce themselves and assist the (unintelligible) in this transformation.



Lisa: So, uh, are you aware of Tolec? An individual who goes by the name of Tolec?


Cobra: Uh yes, to a certain extent. yes.


Lisa: So much of what you say, in regard to the pleiadian’s, he has very similar things to

say in regards to the Andromedans. Are the two groups working together?


Cobra: Actually there is a whole confederation of many races that are working on this

project. I’m only in contact with the Pleiadians, but not with the other races. But uh,

actually the pleiadian race will be the first to appear, simply because they are um human like

beings, they look like human beings, and uh, their psychology is, of all the races, is most

similar to the human race, and other races will come but they will not be at the fore front

at the beginning. At later stages, uh, after the first contact, other races will be

introduced, and uh, when humanity is ready to accept different types of beings, it will be

easier that way.


Lisa: the pleiadian’s actually play a starring role in the dream time stories of the

Australian Aboriginals. they say when you talk about our, when you tell our story, you’ve

got to talk about the pleiadies, ’cause that’s where we came from.


Cobra: Exactly. Exactly.


Lisa: Mmm. Now you’ve also been a big proponent of mass meditations? Fire the grid, and

other such things. I’m interested in this, cause I’ve started a project of my own, called

“The Collective Imagination”, and we have big goals, to reach 3 percent of the population,

to come together to consciously create, um, how, how, just how important, and how powerful,

is the collective imagination.?


Cobra: Actually, those connected meditations, mass meditations, can change a situation

dramatically. If a critical mass of people gather at the same time, and they focus their

consciousness in the same way, this is a very powerful stream of energy, that can change the

course of events. And actually the offer of the surrender of the cabal that was put forth,

and it was put forth exactly, a few hours after the Venus Transit meditation, the Return of

the Goddess meditation. So this is the power our collective consciousness has. And, I have

just put out the call for regular weekly meditations every Sunday. and that would continue

until the planet is liberated. And I would like more and more people joining those

meditations. Because when you reach a certain critical mass, mm, this can initialize the

breakthrough. Because this unified consciousness field influences everybody, including the

people in the military, including the cabal, including Everybody. And there were scientific

studies made exactly watching to see (or Washington DC??) that the mass meditations have

decreased the crime rate in a few weeks by 25 percent. This is just a few weeks of

meditating. So if we continue doing this every Sunday, uh, regardless of everything else,

there will be a certain moment, I can guarantee you that, that the break through will be

made, and the planet will be liberated. We just need enough people doing this every Sunday,

regularly. And this will for sure reach a critical mass, and when this critical

mass is reached, the breakthrough will happen. Actually by doing these meditations we can

speed up the process, and I think everybody is tired of all those delays, including me, and

including other people working on this. And we would like this to happen as soon as

possible. And if people do those meditations, they will speed up the process.


Lisa: Wonderful. Um, in your own words, what is ascension?


Cobra: Ascensions is the liberation of human consciousness from all um, limitations of the

physical world of, the emotions, of the mind, so its going beyond all that. Its a process of

complete and total enlightenment of human consciousness. And actually entering a sphere, or

dimension of enlightenment, of pure light.


Lisa: Is another, could there be another way of saying it, as in Mastering the Third

Dimension, in the sense of uh, gaining as much control, in the 3rd dimension, as we do in

the 4th or 5th? You know when people have um, have a 4d experience, or even a 5d experience,

they can walk through walls, they can fly, they can you know, do things. Uh, if you were to

turn that, having mastered those dimensions are a process of mastering the third.


Cobra: OK, uh, after ascension, you gain complete command over your light body, and that

includes the possibility of manifesting in the 3rd dimension, you can materialize, or should

we say, project your light body, you can make a light body projection in the 3rd dimension,

so that other people can see, your body, this is what you can do after ascension. But after

your ascension you have no need, to control or to influence the physical plane in the old

way, you are beyond that. The only motivation why you would like to materialize or manifest

your body, is simply to help other, is simply to help others to reach the same state. And to

help them liberate.


Lisa: So this ascension process and getting to that point, is something that we’re looking

at achieving in the next 2 years..


Cobra: ummmm, I would not say so. This year is the start of this process, and I have

received instructions from the pleiadian’s, not to speak in detail about this before the cabal

is removed, and one of the reason for this is because the cabal is also listening, and they

are creating counter plans that actually um hinder the ascension process, until they are

still in power, so i will not speak about details, until the Cabal is removed. And yes,

there is a certain process, being put there for this planet, and that includes ascension

for some beings.


Lisa: And what about the others?


Cobra: and it takes a certain period of time, but I will not go into details right here.


Lisa: If its for just some beings, what happens to the others?


Cobra: Um, not everybody will experience ascension this lifetime, because its such a big

step of consciousness. Most of regular humanity will just experience deprogramming. It

means removal of the programs that they have accepted in their selves, uh, by being exposed

by the cabal. so this is going to be removed, and they will be free to choose, uh, how



Lisa: We are talking in My life time? (laughs)


Cobra: I will not give any time frame right now. Not yet.


Lisa: OK. Was there anything else that you want to specifically say? Is there any news that

you haven’t released as yet that you can?



Cobra: Um.. there are a few things I would like to say. The first one is that um, we are now

in the final phase of this epic battle between light and dark, and I would say that

everybody, just keep focusing upon the light, keep doing the meditations, keep connecting

with the source, this is very important, for the smooth transition, because what we want to

manifest is a smooth transition. So uh, regardless of all the dates and all the time lines,

the process is happening, and it will continue until the final breakthrough, and after the

final breakthrough there will be a big Celebration all over the world!! because people will

finally be free. And lets keep that vision and make it a reality.


Lisa: Yeah, that’s a vision we can hold. For sure.


Cobra: OK. very good.


Lisa: Your site is obviously getting a lot of attention, people are, very aware of you, um.


Cobra: Yes, yes, I realize that.


Lisa: yeah, um and all the information coming out of there is very good, very positive,

so..thank you for that.


Cobra: OK, actually, I was asked by the resistance movement, to put up this blog to inform

the population, and I had some doubts at the beginning, but if it’s time now, its time to go

for it, and I did. so, obviously this has some effect.


Lisa: Is there more that we can be doing though, on the ground>? i mean apart from

participating in meditations, and connection. is there more action that we could be taking?


Cobra: Uh, yes there are many things you can do, the first one is to spread the information,

this is step number one, step number two is this is also possible to put some pressure on

the mass media to start reporting things, you see um, this pressure is actually something

that light can do to bombard the mass media with letters, with calls, with emails, talking

about starting to report the truth., and also you can bombard the governments about the

situational and ask questions and investigate, and this is what many people are doing, and

this is exactly why we have this progress. So if somebody would like to have more action,

they can initialize more action their own way. Because everybody has their inner guidance,

and if you are guided to do something, do it. So i would say the key here is Action. this is

not about just watching the show, its about actually participating in it, and making history

and creating our destiny.


Lisa: Definitely. Definitely. So how, how effective are the protests though, things like the

Occupy movement.


Cobra: Uh, it is not, uh, you see the real effect of those protests is for the mass

population to become aware of the situation. They have not achieved much in terms of the

government changing things, but they have achieved much in the average person being aware of

the 99 percent and the 1 percent.


Lisa: Absolutely.


Cobra: Its a big achievement. So if you meet everybody on the streets, they will know about

it. They will know that there is a small group of central bankers doing nasty things. One or

two years ago, this was not so. So this is a Big achievement. This makes our plan so much

easier. Because when the time comes for the breakthrough, for the event, and things will be

in the mass media, people will know, and they will understand, and most of them will agree.

So this makes things so much easier.


Lisa: yes when I first learned about how the banking system really works a few years ago,

there was no one to talk to about it you had to go online, to do your own research to learn

about these things but now, it seems, everybody understands the fiat currency system and how

it works, and who operates it, and who owns it. The Occupy movement pretty much

single-handedly did that.


Cobra: Exactly, exactly. So you don’t always achieve the objective at hand, but you achieve

something else. It’s how the light works. you put out something, you do something, and then

there is a certain consequence to this and it might not be exactly what you planned, but you

achieve something else, and so the light builds, at a certain point there is a breakthrough


Lisa: I know you said earlier, that humanity is being held hostage essentially, which is

what, has stalled action, but is there, is there also a great deal of concern about how

humanity is going to react?


Cobra: well, um, one of the main concerns of the light forces is actually the reaction of

the masses, um more than the Action, because some people Will like and and some people will

Not like it, and well have to deal with that. So actually the hostages have been programed

to the point where many of them don’t want to be liberated. And that is quite a complicated

problem and were trying to resolve this right now.


Lisa: Yes, yes, its like the victim falling in love with the perpetrator.


Cobra: Yes, yes, Stockholm Syndrome.


Lisa: Yes that’s it, that’s the one. En masse. OK. thank you again, very, very much.


Cobra: You’re welcome. It was a pleasure for me to be part of this.


Lisa: And, lovely to speak with you. and good luck with everything you are doing.


Cobra: Thank you. Thank you.


Lisa: OK, Bye for now!



Transcrbibed by Shiloh Jaxen.