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Help Us Awaken the World with Your Donations Lee Harris and Alexandra Meadors, April 1, 2014 Alexandra: Good afternoon, everybody. This is Alexandra Meadors of Galactic Connection.com and today is April 1, 2014. My, do you we have a special guest for the Springtime season! As you all know, this is the perfect time for all of us to start looking at all of the new perspectives in our life, the new beginnings in our life, the new ideas in our life, and to actually step back and look at our new You. So it’s very important for me today to bring on someone that I think is perfect to assist us in getting us a fresh new view of ourself and the world around us. And that is Lee Harris. If you haven’t heard of Lee Harris, he is an author, he’s a theater director, an artist, a singer, a song writer, a producer, a channeler, a counselor, an energy healer, a teacher, and a spiritual speaker. He has been on the circuit since 2004, has a background in Reiki, and he also a public speaker. And he is without a doubt one of the most profound channelers out there today. Thank you Lee, for coming on. How are you doing? Lee: I’m great. Thank you so much for having me on your show. Alexandra: Thank you. You know, I was looking at your bio, and there was none, but the way, I was floored at how many different types of passions and abilities that you have. I was just shocked. I never knew that you are also an artist and a singer and a song writer. Lee: Yeah, I like to mix it up. Alexandra: Have you been an artist for a long time? Lee: No. The artist, in terms of painting, I probably wouldn’t call myself an artist. I like to paint, and I haven’t had any training. So I kind of just go wherever I’m guided with the paint. But I just started that in 2010. My creative work was very much focused around performance on stage when I was a child in theatre and it progressed into making short films and directing theatre. And yeah, the music started when I was 21 when I started writing songs. But I was a singer as a kid. But I’m creating and producing music for about the last 16 years. Alexandra: Fantastic. As we all can tell, you have an English accent. Where are you from? Lee: Well, in England, I was born in Birmingham but moved quite soon to Berkshire and then I lived in Manchester, London, and Brighton. Alexandra: Nice. I have been to all of those, by the way. Lee: Aha! Oh great. Great. Which is your favorite? Alexandra: I loved Brighton. Lee: Yeah. Yeah. That’s where I ended up for the last eleven years, until I moved to the States in 2012. So yeah, Brighton is awesome. Alexandra: There’s a nice, bright energy there. And I wanted to know, tell me a little bit about your theatre background. Did you take it all the way through, you know, into the college years and beyond? Or was this just a grade school kind of fancy? Are you there, Lee? uh-oh. L: Yeah, I am. You broke up a little bit. So I lost some of your words. I heard you saying something about ? and then I heard you say something about my theater background. It that correct? A: I was just wondering how long you were involved in that? Was that just more of a childhood fancy or did you take that into your twenties and thirties. L: It was something that I think that everybody expected me to do as an adult because I was very driven as a kid. As a child of five or six I really wanted to be an actor. That’s what just I really wanted to do. And I felt that was what I would end up doing. I think by the time that I got to my teenage years even though I kind had been doing about four productions a year outside of my school schedule, I think I had either exhausted it or I got to the point that it was something that had been my passion and a skill that everyone around me knew me for, but I think it was already becoming a little bit limited for me. And I wanted to not not act, but I wanted to do more. So I did actually complete my training by going to drama school in England. But I knew even as I did the course, it was an act of completion for me and something else would come. As I say all of this, I actually did do a play last year in Boulder in the French Festival. It had been about six years since I had been on stage as an actor and I felt like trying it and seeing how it went. So it was good to reconnect with that. A: How fun! I have a similar kind of background because my mom was a graduate of Juillard and very involved with music and theater and my grandfather used to write music, there’s just so much of that in my family. So we did a great deal of that kind of thing. And when it’s in your blood it’s always in your blood, I think. You know, it’s hard to get away from it. L: And I really have come to understand creativity now through the spiritual lens which is that, all of us have multi-dimensional capacity and for balance all of us need to be creating in some way. Whether that is by you’re being an amazing cook and you’re cooking for everybody in your life and you put your creativity there, or if it’s you’re writing or painting or performing, I think it is vital for our sense of balance. You just have to look at kids to see the truth of that because they are always dancing or singing or just spontaneously expressing. A: Yeah, and they are always in the moment. They are just beaming. And that’s why I called you on today. I thought who is the most appropriate guest at this time to springboard the Spring season and allow people to see themselves differently. It’s kind of like were taking off the old suit of clothing and putting a whole new suit on. And this is really an important time for people to feel that sense of renaissance. So I really want you to talk to us a little bit about how your whole Lee Harris Energy.com, your own sort of empire started. Because everybody knows you very well for your monthly energy reports and I think they love the no-nonsense but very profound messages that you relay. L: Oh thank you. Well it started – it’s funny to have it called an empire, but I guess looking at the last ten years since I started until now, the different ways that the work goes out now and the regularity of it is kind of surprising to me. Around the same time that I started writing music, it was a few more months of starting to write music at 21, I would hear these melodies and they were coming to me fully formed and I would hear a whole song, and it was channeling and I didn’t really understand that at the time. But a few months later, I literally heard a voice in my heard and I joke about this and we all have our voices in our heads and you have the voice in the head that says you need to make sure that you’re at this meeting on Wednesday, you need to send this to your mother, and all of these voices that are kind of organizing your life. But the morning that I heard this voice, it was quite clearly something different. Not only because of the feeling that I got in my body when I heard it, but also because of the ability it had to cut to the chase. And so I would literally ask a question to this voice, again all inside my head. You know, I would say, oh, what’s going on with me in this situation at work. And the answer would come back would be very, very profound, very helpful and very direct. So in a way, that was how I ended up working in this field. I began as a person who suddenly could channel. I had heard of channeling. I certainly wasn’t in pursuit of it and I certainly wasn’t revering it as some people can. But it just kind of popped open into me. And I was already on the path of inquiry and intuitive and beginning to understand that what I previously thought life to be was actually so small. And what I was beginning to discover, was I opened my senses and my intuition and started to unpack some of my own difficult feelings that I was struggling with or suffering through, then everything started to become more magical and expanded. So the way that I developed with this channeling voice was to practice with it and using myself as a practice person. So I would come home from work and I would write down some questions and they might be personal things about my life, they could be questions about world situations, they might be about other people. And the answers would come through that I would write down would always be very helpful for the days after when I would refer to them again. So gradually, the friends in my life who I would call back then my spiritual friends, I don’t really make a differentiation now, but back then I had those few safe people who we would talk about spirituality without worrying about what people might think that we were crazy or – you know, the usual judgments or fears that get heaped onto people talking about spiritual topics. A: Yeah. L: So I would start channeling for them. And they had a really profound effect. And they would ask me questions and I would give them the answers. So, long story short, and flash forward to 2004, and a friend of mine who was a kundalini yoga teacher at the time, she’s now an author, and does quite a lot in the world herself. Her name is Aina? Sophia, and I helped her out with something. We met for coffee. She was sharing a situation that she was having at the time in her then relationship. And I knew them both and I just said, listen, I’m just getting some messages, here’s what I get. Please feel free to leave it, if you’re not interested. She went home, phoned me the next day, and went wild. Her relationship was back on track. That was amazing, you should do this for people. So I was very scared, and dubious, and I doubted how can I do this for people. And she kind of said, do you want to answer questions for people remotely? So I thought about it, and I thought, well, I can try. Because I had done some readings for people that I really didn’t know and the information I was getting for people about themselves was nothing that I personally hadn’t known about them. So from that standpoint on, I just kind of went from there and basically gave her a paragraph to explain what I could do and it kind of took off like a rocket. So at the beginning, I worked very much on a donation basis and I had a queue of people. And just did readings for about the first year or so. Then I decided to try and record the channel on a topic. I thought what if I turned them onto relationships or abundance, those were the first two topics I decided to give, if you like, a talk, a channeled talk on those themes. And that was it really. That was what started me doing more public work with the channeling. I would say that I did a lot of work with the channeling for several years. I was known more as a channeler. And the more I accessed that frequency, that higher self in myself, the more I began to both trust and receive information on my own grounded intuitive level. So my work now, is predominantly what you see in the Energy Forecasts. Predominantly, I’m from a grounded but also from a Higher Self place communicating energetics as they appear and come to me and try to do this in the widest possible so that people hopefully have a light bulb moment or have some clarity or confirmation where they previously hadn’t had it, and then hopefully run further with ones’ own gifts and senses and skills. So that’s the long story of how it ended up beginning where it is now. A: You know, it reminds me for a couple of things. Number one is, you could imagine what this planet would be like if we were all coming from that same position. L: Very much. But I also, I could imagine what would be like, but it’s not what it’s like. It’s a tricky one. On the one hand, and I think this is interesting for me is always, because we are constantly having to deal with duality, and the whole duality matrix in this planet is what sets up the very notion what is peace. I often wonder, if the whole planet was of that vibration, it really just would not look like anything like it does now. And it would probably be a very foreign planet to most of us. Even those of us who seek or explore and ground a consciousness as much as we can. It probably would be a real shock, because I don’t think that the forms or the dimensions that we see now would not be here in the same way. There would be forms and dimensions that we wouldn’t have seen and energetically the whole place would probably just be really glowing. A: You know Lee, this is why you are so loved. Because you have such an interesting perspective on everything. Honestly are just such a breath of fresh air. I also feel like just taking that small opening of having coffee and breakfast with your friend and just going into that space and thinking nothing of it. But that small little opening ended up bringing you to where you are today. And it’s a great example of what everyone should be open to in any possiblity in any moment. L: You know what is funny? My job now that’s it’s much more public and of course, my family and my friends all know about my job – I kept it a secret for a while. I was doing readings for probably six to nine months before my family even knew. I got to the point where I had to tell them because the readings began to converge. It took two years to become full-time. But I would say by six months in it was evident that I had another whole half-part job that was taking a lot of time. But if I could share one thing with your audience about my story that I feel so passionately about imparting others through is, I was so scared. So scared. And the one saving grace for me was that I wasn’t scared enough to stop myself doing it. I’m grateful that there’s a side of me knew to do it. Because I always had to drag the scared side of me along for the ride. And I think that often there’s this myth about, and it’s something I’ve often shared a lot in my work. There’s a myth about people that we see in the world who are – to use the example of the kind of popular earth terms these days – I’m following my passion or doing my passion or living my passion. And I definitely am passionate about my work and I’m very grateful that on a planet where a lot of people don’t have that experience, I get to be having that experience that through my work, I don’t take that lightly. But I also did not arrive there through confidence or through a kind of gung-ho attitude. And I think sometimes people who are sitting maybe at home listening to this who feel that they’d like to make changes, that they perceive that they have to be flawless in what they are making those changes. In my experience it was not that way. I had to be willing to walk through every fear that I had, and gradually the journey just built up to such a level that now the work that I do is reaching tens of thousands each month – if you’d have told me that at 2004, I probably would have run and hid some way. My philosophy is one step at a time and just keep walking to towards what feels right. Because usually, as we know, as you walk toward what feels right – if it is new – then things in your own personal energy grid – that are going to have to change for this new to come in, they are going to change. And sometimes that can be a beautiful release -when you suddenly feel expanded. On other time you can have an argument with a friend because the friend doesn’t like where you are going and who you are becoming, so they want to fight you about that. In the fight, what they are presenting to you is your own fight, they’re presenting your own fire to let go of your way of becoming and into a new one. So that’s why with all of these journeys have to take the right time for us as individuals. So this idea of trying to achieve a success point in your mind that you think would make you feel successful is often a myth. I think that it’s really important to just keep with your own feelings about what you are doing and do it, one day at a time, one thought at a time, one step at a time. A: You know, I think it’s interesting too because as we walk into this New Society, we are finding ourselves having to kind of start a whole new manual of how to be, you know. And you’re hitting it right on the head, as far as the way that we see ourselves. Every aspect of that- the grid around that has to shift gears. We can’t remain within – as far as shifting into the new paradigm, but yet not shifting the old us. And I think that’s been a little bit of a challenge for people within the community. L: So Alexandra, just because it broke up a little bit. Did I hear you say, walking into the new paradigm without shifting the old us. I couldn’t quite hear you, I couldn’t quite tell – I missed some words. A: That is exactly pretty much it. So I wanted to know what you thought about that. You know, I think a lot of us, are so gung-ho on stepping into this new reality and this New Earth, and yet, not really fully contemplating the old structure of our self. I find there is an disparity between the anticipation for getting into the New Earth environment, you know, new finances, new opportunities, a new way of living, not having to be in survival mode and yet people are still not getting that the old grid, is the way that you used it, the old way of being is not necessarily be going to be in alignment with that New Earth. What do you think about that? L: Definitely. And I see this play out a lot with people around patterns of relationship and commitments in their lives. So it’s very common to see somebody to say, I really want this great new career, but to not recognize that in stepping into that, is going to shift their immediate partnership relationship, or the marriage. It doesn’t mean it’s going to divorce the relationship necessarily, but it does mean that as you infuse yourself into a new level of power around where you are going to the right, who you are leaving behind from the left might have a funny reaction to it. And I think this is where the old and the new is often doing a dance inside all of us. And I think sometimes that in the spiritual community there’s a idea that you should be able to bypass the old, or it should happen quicker or, well, if I can manifest this quickly why isn’t it happening? And I think this is why gravity comes into to play. Because there is a gravity that is keeping us within this grid to some degree for a reason, and we are here to go through this paradigm shift. But I think often people want to bypass the going through it and get the end result because they have a perception that the end result is better or lighter. Now for me if I think that better or lighter I think of death. And I’m not saying that – I haven’t a near-death experience as far as I know – although some of them feel a bit like that – but my sense of spirit and also when I channel and what that’s like, it does feel like incredibly light compared to here and very, very free of some of the density and the suffering that we are dealing with. But I think where lightworkers again for lack of a better term, the group that you are addressing in your question, what I notice a lot helps them, is when they accept everything. And I know that because sometimes there is a striving around manifesting or changing or we are here to help raise the planet’s vibration or this is terrible what is going on over here, we’ve got to stand up against it, you can have all of those feelings and thoughts if you like but they are very disempowering if it isn’t also a central point in you that has come to accept where the planet is right now – what is going on, what you are seeing with your eyes, what you are feeling in your heart. And I don’t think that is an easy acceptance to come to, it certainly wasn’t for me. It certainly wasn’t as simple for me as going, ‘oh, look what’s going on over here?’ and ‘what’s going on here?’ and okay. I certainly still don’t walk around the world feeling happy every moment of every day with everything that is going on, even if I’m fairly happy and content in my immediate circumstances that day. I’m very conscious of what is going with everything. So for me, my own point of empowerment with all of that came from my own acceptance that it’s 2014, I’m a single, simple human being doing the best that he can on any given day in this mess of us that are reaching a very, critical turning point in our history. I am not fully and solely responsible for that. I am responsible for being born into it so I’ll trust that. I’ll trust that I came here at this time, I will see things that I don’t like, I’ll see things that hurt, to feel, but I’ll accept that. That’s the planet. And that for me is something that I’ve kind of come into in the more last two or three years and it’s been incredibly helpful. Because in those moments when before I might have been too triggered or activated from things that I saw that weren’t so good. And then to try to balance that because I’m not dealing with the internal feelings I’ve become an angry activist. And again I’m not trying to disparage any angry activists. Because I’m very grateful for the activists out there that use their fire and fuel for all of us. But what I’ve recognized is you can come at any energy from a point of balance or you can come at an energy from an point of extremes. And usually when you are swinging across the extremes you are trying to balance something within yourself. Does that make sense? I don’t know if what I’ve just said made sense. A: No, it make completely sense. I remember way back, I had an hermetic teacher once say to me, ‘What would you think if you walked by a father beating a baby with a stick?’ And I said, ‘Oh my god. I would think that it is terrible.’ And he said, ‘Well, what you need to be able to do is to just look at the baby and just observe. And you can feel the compassion, but you don’t have to be triggered by it.’ And I think that his whole point was for us to try to remain in a neutral position with all that is dismantling around us because it’s going to continue to dismantle. And we are at a place where it’s very imperative for us to maintain our core as you say, our core sense of balance so that we can carry this through, you know. L: You know that’s one reasons I do my Energy Forecasts because for several years I’ve been talking about the future in a way. And the future is a strange thing to talk about because there are multiple timelines, there are multiple opportunities, things can change all the time. But my experience of someone who has had a connection and contact with the future on and off, for you know for twenty years or so, there is a general future that is readable and that is close enough that it’s not going to change. So a few years ago, when I am channeling information such as quotes like ‘things will get a lot more intense in the years to come and while there will be new things that you will see, you will also see rise in intensity and you will also see people becoming less stable within themselves as this intensity flushes their inner system. So the external impulses will cause them to come to terms with things within their inner selves that were suppressed.’ Now, my perception is that when I was bringing those types of messages through, they are the easy things for us to skim across back in 2010. And it’s not that we didn’t believe them, but we would prefer the next sentence which talks about how we are going to be able lift and raise yourself this month, and what the energy potentials for abundance and creation, because we tend to look for the positive. A: Yeah. L: So what I’m interested now is to – I find myself sending out these – we often go outside unless the wind is threatening to kill out the audio, but I am always trying to go outside for the Energy Forecast because I’m conscious of that a lot of the people are in cities, they don’t have access to nature, so I’m kind of interested in going out and holding that space. But I’ll be standing on a hill about to do an Energy Forecast and the amount of repetition I’ve had to do over the past year around balance, centering, just shows me, because I tune into using the words that are given me that day for the people who are going to see it, I’m just so aware of how important that is, and how perhaps we didn’t quite come to terms with what that might feel like. We might have heard it in our minds but actually to experience of walking through these wavy energies are quite something else, isn’t it? A: Yes it is, and I don’t think that we’ve had a whole lot of experience in maintaining that stability, you know. L: That came through a channel. There was something about, there was something that never before in earth’s history has your DNA have to go through anything like this. (Right) And that made a lot of sense to me. That was in The Crystalline Body which was a channeling I did that talked about how our bodies are going to be changed quite a lot in these coming years and how people will notice strange symptoms. But as the planet, and the whole universe is going through this big shift, so too will we as the human race. And that’s before you even look at the toxins in the planet and what is going on these last 30-40 years that wasn’t going on before. So it certainly is an intense time. So interestingly enough, I just did a recording this month. I do a new recording each month that I offer to the Portal which is the member’s club that I have for the people that want to engage deeper with the work that I do each month. And the only thing I could really conceive of was, I sat with it for a week or so, what could I possibly this month that’s going to be useful is something called Seven Days of Peace. Because I felt that peace is such an important vital component of the balance and something that we don’t feel is – well, I think conflict is actually what we have been focusing at the moment on the world stage and in the energy of things. So I decided to do this recording called of Seven Days of Peace, which is 7 ten-minute meditations, one each day, all focused on how to help people to practice, to be with, and evoke a more regular sense of peace in their daily lives. So a little bit like your hermetic friend was explaining, you can be with everything that is happening for you. Which I think for many lightworkers and sensitives and empaths and people who believe that they are here to help change things, I think that is a big sticking point, in our psychics. It is when do you stop, when do you not have to save the planet. A: Yeah. L: And I think there is this idea that I’m here to save the planet and I always argue with that. And I say we are here to help assist the planet saving it’s self. And that is coming with someone who has spent hours and hours and years of my life on this, but I’ve also recognized that with one human individual and we do run out of energy from time to time. And it’s important not to push yourself to the breaking point because you feel that in order to stop the crisis inside you, you have to stop the crisis outside you. I think you have to learn to balance your inner self more then the outer crisis is something that you can be more useful for and also less, as you said, triggered and knocked-off balance by. A: That is such a good point. I was going to ask you because we are on this topic, how would you define pain for an individual, and after you define it, how would you suggest that that individual review it and cope with it? L: Well, my immediate answer to that very good and big question is pain, you know, we have physical pain first and foremost, which as we know, affects a lot of people on the planet. A lot of people are living with physical pains, symptoms, have various areas in their body that are suseptible to pain, so that’s the one side of it. I would say, the other kind of pain that I know of is the pain when you can’t access your heart. A: Very good. L: And I’ve seen that with – you see that with people, for example, some one like a Hitler, he’s an interesting figure because for all of the suffering and pain he was willing and focusing on and afflicting on a whole mass of people, he’s also some one who was vegetarian, and according to a few people who knew him he could be quite compassionate. This does show up in people that have psychotic or psychopathic tendencies. It’s not usually that the sociopath or the psychopath is fully shut off to people. But there is a state that they can get into where their heart disappears from their thinking and their being and action. And they can disconnect, just down, cut off from their own levels of feeling and empathy. And in those moments these are the people you see acting aggressively to others. If you see someone shouting at somebody, if you see someone hitting someone, that person is not in their heart in that moment. What they are doing is, something is hurt or has triggered them in their wound and they are projecting it out with great force and putting their energy behind it and what they are trying to do is to send the pain that they felt in that moment to another person. And that is why usually, when you see somebody who is angry at another person and they make that person cry, once the other person starts crying, the angry person tends to stop. And the reason that most of them would tend to stop is because they have successfully tranferred the darkness. They’ve transferred the darker energy, they’ve made an impact on someone else, they have proved that it’s had an impact because that person has just exploded into emotion. A: Beautiful! L: For me, I think of the pain that you inflict on others are coming from that place and I think that to the people that don’t project outward, or who have too much feeling for others that they it’s not their tendency to do that – I know for me, pain has to come in my own experience of my perceived pain, or my perceived suffering is when I feel sad, or locked out of my own heart for some reason either because something has just has come into my life that is too painful for me to really go there at that moment or because of trauma. So, you know, this shows up a lot with people who have a heartbreak or a relationship ending or the loss of a loved one. It’s so much for them to process that, the separation, if their heart was joined with someone else, so they just close it down for a little bit. It’s very sensible, grief is a very strong, ferocious emotion and it’s quite sensible that we go into and out of it. I just had a friend recently lost her father and I asked her how she is doing a few weeks later and she said to me, Well, you know, sometimes I go numb, and she was questioning that going numb and I said, well, don’t worry. I said, if you are feeling really ferociously in the other moments, trust that when that numbing comes along, it’s your bodies’ stop and it’s saying, okay, that’s enough for now. I said, you certainly are willing to face this, because I’ve talked to her about it for days. So I think, that would kind of be my around the house description of pain. A: Yeah, and from a practioner’s perspective, because I work with homeopathy and essences and I do a lot of alchemy and one of the things that I see constantly ultimately as I dig deeper into what is the cause of the issues that they are experiencing, whether it is on a physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual level, is there is this perception that we have been abandoning by whatever they perceive to be Source, their God, their Higher Self, whatever. There’s this feeling of I am completely disconnected therefore I have been forgotten and I am all alone. And in some ways I think it is very profound when you look at the higher spiritual community where we are made of some of the hugest hearts, with the greatest desire to be of service to others. And yet, many of us live very, very alone lives. What do you think about that? L: Umhmm. I think that is very true. And I think it is true because we are not living a level of communication or sensitivity that most people are choosing to focus on in their lives. I believe, that most people are feeling more than they communicate about and are aware of more of their feelings than they perhaps allow themselves to be conscious about in their communications with others. But I think what marks this group out, that you are talking about, that is different is, there’s no escape from exploring that, because that’s how that we are wired, that’s who we’ve come to realize what we are. I think that isolation is twofold. I think that on one hand, there can be a over-sensitivity from those of us within this community which makes it is hard sometimes to just gel or mesh with people. I have often helped people with deep sensitivity issues and trauma around people trying to come back to society a bit. I certainly have two periods in my life where I really had to isolate myself, for almost a year. So I’ve kind of walked that path for myself so I’ve also seen enough variation on that same theme over the years to enjoy being effective for others and helping them rehabiliting themselves to society. I mean, it’s such a big topic, Alexandra, there are so many variables. There’s the soul history of people who are sensitives and light workers often that have remembered being a witch or being cast-out of their society because they were progressive in thought or feeling. So it’s really in the DNA. But I actually think that when we get away from that community, I think that our whole programming on the planet is designed to make sure we always feel just a little bit alone. Because if you feel alone, if the person is alone or vulnerable, and I think this is one of the vulnerable areas we all dance in and out of, it’s this irony, we are never really alone, because we are on a planet full of life. And we can also connect spiritually to a lack of loneliness. But there is that feeling that runs through the collective. I think that the other isolation piece with this community that is really important to look at is, how much of it is human, and not spiritual. So going back to the idea of losing truth with people. A lot of people that I know are carrying around an idea of, ‘Well, I can’t talk about what I think about because the last time that I did in 2005, all of my family rejected me. And what I often say to people is, it’s 2014 now. And as much as I don’t still see a ton people out in the street talking about quantum science, I also certainly do see a massive rise in people’s ability and need to talk about their feelings. Compared to ten or fifteen years ago. And as that has proliferated through society more that’s changing how comfortable people are. And as people get more comfortable, they become less reactive against each other. So, I’m often reminding people who have a story as to why they closed down to just look at when that story was, how true do they think that story is now, and then actually sometimes you do have to walk backwards through it. You can’t just click your fingers and everything be okay. It might be a big fear that you have to start talking a bit more openly about what you feel at the dinner table because you haven’t done it for five years. But what I always say is, just start. Start small, do a little sentence. Test the waters, see how it feels to you, because I think what marks out this whole community that you are addressing in this question is hyper-viligance. We have learned to become hyper-viligant to what we say and how it is taken. A: Which is causing us to not be – L: Well, it does two things. It stuffs up your own hard drive of information of what’s going on with the room, you have to be careful of, you know. You have to be careful as a sensitive person, if you walk into a room, you don’t quickly identify what’s going on with the nine people in there, more than you bring yourself to the room. Because everyone is waiting to jump in and play. And if you’re in an observer mode, which is very common for sensitive people, and you never get into participatory mode, you can leave that room going, oh well, that was overwhelming. Well, yes, because your focus was on everyone’s inner bodies’ feelings and thoughts. So if you can learn to go, okay, I am going to walk into the room and everybody is going to have their inner thoughts and feelings and I can’t change those thoughts or feelings for them even if there is something there that I could or should. Therefore, is this room really for me to be in for a person? So I think, a lot of the hyper-viligence was developed as people were developing our senses. But there comes to a point, when you have to walk away. You have to go, okay, yes I can turn on my flashlight into this room and I can see and feel everything, or because I have that ability if I need it, I can go into this room and just try to find the most light or joyful person within the first five minutes and make that my aim. Where is the most light and joyful person in the room, okay, I’ll go there. And that will help me to find a frequency that I can exist in, that feels good. A: You know, I have a theory about this. You and I talked about the implant removal process, (Yes) it’s something that I stumbled onto. I mean I literally stumbled upon this. One of the things that I’ve noticed amongst all of the people that have gone through the process is we are able to function better in society by unplugging, or disconnecting, from the soup of overwhelming stimuli. So we’re being bombarded, you know, constantly. Especially when you are very in tuned and very sensitive and you walk into a restaurant, for example, and you already know that the person waiting on you has had a bad day, and the person in the back that is making the food is putting that into that food that you are going to eat, you know. We are thinking about all of this stuff. And because of the fact that I’ve seen that it’s kind of a side benefit, I think it’s even deeper than just us picking up on people’s other stuff. It truly is a matrix that was designed to keep us in that hyper-vigilant mode. Do you know what I mean? L: I do. And I think that that’s the gravity I was referring to. It’s like, you know, I’ve heard so many incredible claims over the years and I’ve had people make assumptions about my experiences and they tell me them. You know, they say, well, you must know all about this because you have had this experience. And I have to then go, ‘No, it wasn’t exactly the way it was for me. It was like this.’ So I know what you mean because I notice the energetics and I’m sure this will be true for everyone that is listening. Not even on the days that I’m around people, you know, I go for a walk on the hill behind my house most days, and I can walk on that hill one day and just feel that the energy of the world is off, is off-kilter. And, you know, there are various processes you can do in that, that you can check for yourself first. I can go, how am I? No I’m okay. There’s nothing that’s impacting me, there’s nothing that is moving through me, I know that I am clear, I was clear last night so today there is something different that is being picked up from the outside. For me, this is where the hyper-vigilance has to go from being external forces to internal forces. There are a couple of things to pick up from what you just said. I’ve come to understand that if I feel okay to go somewhere I have to trust that everything that happens there as well, is something that I can handle. So for example, this restaurant that you said that energy is in the food. This is why if you can work with your own inner self and if that is just keeping aware of your awareness of how you are feeling, whether it’s meditating, whether it’s recognizing that dancing for 20 minutes in the morning makes you feel good and makes you feel stronger and brighter for longer all day, whatever it is, that helps your inner furnance stay strong. That furnance is designed to transmute things. So I think sensitive people who are perhaps in a mode of hyper-sensitivity, it’s scary for them to go out in the outside world, because of how’s this all going to affect me. And that’s how I think that is why you have to come to a place of strengthening your inner self, because you can’t just be nervous about everything that’s going on around you. You have to recognize that there’s a strength inside of you that is strong enough to meet all of that. So for example, you can transmute the energy of the food that you were eating based on this restaurant that you had gone to if that person hadn’t a good day. There was a period in my life where I was hyper-sensitive to everything and I had no boundary. And it happened after a big awakening. So I kind of know that phase, but I also recognize then there’s an invitation to go deeper into yourself, and kind of come back into your inner body as much as you are receiving impulses from the outside of your body. And I feel that that is the stage that I am teaching from a bit more in the last few years. I’ve kind of grounded it myself in the past few years and maybe that’s the stage that we as a mass can focus so that the sensitives among the mass, aren’t so sensitized that they are afraid to leave the house. A: You know, Lee, you were so in synch that as that is exactly where I was going to go next and I was going to bring up is that is we are transmuters. We can transmute energy if we recognize that we have the capacity to do that. We don’t have to understand it. We don’t even have to fully know it. But if we just understand that we have that capacity in every aspect of our life, You know, everything from – I don’t get so hung up on – I’m not saying that GMOs aren’t bad, and that we wouldn’t address them and stop this maniacally way of creating food, but at the same time I don’t get so much in fear or demonize everything around us. Well, it’s interesting because we are going down the same path as far as transmutation. Because I feel that is the key for most lightworkers or – emissaries of light is what I like to call them – if the fact that if we just have the perception that we can transmute everything around us we will. And we can. And we have the capacity to do so. So instead of getting so caught up in the fear factor of ‘oh my god, it’s so terrible that I am putting this into my mouth,’ or the fact that ‘oh my gosh, I’ve got to buy every supplement on the planet to try to assist my body’ – I’m not saying that that is not right – or wrong – what I’m saying is that once again we are bringing ourselves back in a state of balance where we say ‘okay, I’m in this restaurant, the guy in the back, he’s probably sick with the flu but he had to go to work because he has to pay his bills and he has seven children at home and he’s not happy and he’s put that into my food,’ what are you going to do with it? You basically go into to a place where, that inner place, where you know that you are powerful enough – you don’t need to know how powerful – or even how to do it – you just start doing it. L: And I think having an awareness in your reactions is key. So I’ve met several people who are rather advanced, you know, in terms of what they know and what they have studied in the spiritual and self-development communities, but they still have a blind spot around seeing that they react to fear. So I’m pretty good – it’s quite hard for me to escape myself. It’s hard for me to have a big blind spot. Doesn’t that mean that I’m faster with moving through some of my limitations than any one else necessarily, but it does mean that I get to see everything. So I’m pretty good at catching when I go into a extreme reaction. And I know that if I’m going into a extreme reaction of fear something is off. I know that’s not a true state for me to live in, it’s some impluse that has happened. So I would say to people, ask yourself are you being extremist, or are you being balanced? And if it’s not too – tell yourself off of having a base fear reaction, but if you have a base fear reaction you’ve got to bring logic into it as well, to balance it. So if your fear is it, ‘oh my god, I’m terrified by this food that I’ve just eating.’ Well you can hang out there and there’s no support there at all, it’s just a panic, or you can then take action and go, ‘what can I do about this?’ And I would say one thing which is – I’ve been asked to repeat this so many times over the years with my work, with the Z’s, that I channel. They say, that the words are so powerful. And if you only remember this, we would become alchemists of our lives so much than than we are. So they enlighten us to use words to re-program things. So for example, if you are worried about the GMOs that you’ve just eaten, and you notice your fear, you can reset some of that fear by giving your soul and your energy body direction with a sentence such as, ‘I allow myself to transmute any negative energies in this food. I am sovereign’ – whatever language works for you. It might be very simple words, it might be very spiritual words, but it’s the part of you that is basically commanding what is about to happen in your present and future moment around you and your body. And I think we forget to do this because a lot of people start to worry about ego. You know, they starts to go, ‘Well, am I taking charge and not surrendering.’ I think there are so many questions that are ‘am doing it right,’ that I’m a big philosopher of ‘dive and try something and see how it feels.’ Because if it feels good, and feels right, that’s your test. But so often people don’t dive in because they don’t think that they aren’t doing it right, or well, as the Hicks said it this way, and then this person said it this way and it doesn’t matter who said what. It doesn’t matter what any external person has said to you. At the end of the day, you and your body are going to know what’s works for you, you’re very individual, so just try things and observe how you feel after you’ve tried them. A: Yeah. And once they do dive in, they’re able to create their own individual magic. L: Absolutely. And that really is individual. None of us on the planet can do the same thing as anyone else. To me, that’s one of the unique things about being here. A: I agree. You know, now that leads me to my next question. Which is, I think I want to bring up a couple of hot topics that I feel are somewhat rampant within the community, or the internet, as we speak. And the first one is, the so-called in-fighting. Okay, the kind of bantering and back and forth. Now on the one hand we do know that there are internet trolls out there trying to stir up dissension and get people to get angry with each other and etcetera. But on the other hand, what would be your advice to what to do when you see something like that out there. How to not participate in that? L: Well, number one, I’m very circumspect about everything I read online. And I would invite people to do the same including anything that I put out or that anybody puts out. Any information out there is useful to us depending of how we interpret it. I also am circumspect about some of the New Age material because several years ago, this is something that you’ve discussed with many of your guests because it’s common knowledge I think, that there’s a lot of disinformation out there masquerading as good information. And I think, it was about two or three years ago I got personally tired of people trying to get it right about what was going to happen. There were lots of people saying, well, on this day the banks are going to be shut down and then you’ve got three days to get into your bunker . . . There were people that were giving wild opposing versions of how the future is going to play out, what was going to happen, when it is going to happen. And for me, there is an out-of-balance energy in those discussions. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t look at it, or consider it, but a righteousness of it is a mistake about the future anyway. Because of you to sit there and say I’m right and this is going to happen, well, time will prove whether or not it happened. I think to me, righteousness is just judgment. And it used to sadden me when that happened, but it doesn’t anymore because it just is, and that’s what happens. But it’s always interesting to me, that in a supposedly spiritual or self-development community people do not recognize the war in themselves or the war amongst each other. And I’m not saying you should chastize yourself for feeling some of these things or having these thoughts, but have the awareness that when you start to engage with a fight you realize, oh, I’m fighting. I’m trying to be right. I’m trying not to be wrong. And right or wrong is an empty paradigm. There’s nothing there. There’s no energy to right or wrong, it’s just basically just a tug of words between people. So for me, the fighting, the fighting in a way, is us falling into the trap that would be laid for us. So we lose our energy by fighting each other and it’s all hypothetical. That’s the problem. When you really step back and look at it, it’s all hypothetical. Unless we are a discussing something that has happened. A: I totally agree. Thank you for that. And so now how do you feel about money and the fact that so many of the channelers, healers, practitioners, out there, they don’t feel that it’s okay to make money. I mean, in order to support their own services, for example. L: Yeah. It’s a really good question. And it’s a hot topic that I’ve seen around me for about ten years. And I’ve certainly processing my own feelings around that, given that I’ve been making my living doing this work. Hmm, firstly, I think you have to ask yourself whenever you are talking about money, especially in this area with these people, how much of your distaste around charging for this work is really just rooted in the distaste of money for the starts. Because I think 50% of the argument usually that the person is not attacking the person that they’re attacking, they’re angry about the money system, they’re angry about the 99 and the 1%, they’re angry about the injustice, so usually they are just angry about money for some reason. And sometimes it’s been personal, and they are really struggling, sometimes it’s a perception that they are locked out of the things that they need because of money, so they project that onto the spiritual community because that’s been their experience of life. And at other times it is because a lot of people in the community don’t want this old paradigm of money that we’re still in. I learned some really key lessons that people will probably have already heard or experienced for themselves over the years. But there is a truth that people do value things more if they pay something for it or contribute something toward it than if they were given it free. Now I would like to challenge that personally because I don’t want that to be the way the world works and I do think that it is changing. I think that it is the internet over the last five years or so that more stuff has become available for free for people. So suddenly there’s an abundance of everything. People can access music and films and videos and spiritual content and educational content in any area that you are interested in to the level that would have been mind-blowing to most people twenty years ago, or even fifteen years ago. So I think, in a way that is changing society – that people are valuing free stuff more. But I certainly notice in over the years, that the times that I give things away free things there were often complications around it. Or the person would keep coming back for more because they weren’t full when they were given with what was the first time. For me, there’s a simple balance in all of this. Which is, how do you feel about what you do with your money? I think there’s a lot of judgment on how people spend money. We feel that we are happier if the rich person is benevolent. And we are happier if that rich person has set up an charity that if they just had 50 Porche’s sitting in their garage. I mean, you know, in judgment terms, so what if someone has a lot of money and they have 50 Porche’s, I mean, there’s a truth in that, if that’s what they want to do with their money, well that’s what they can do. Did they that money take from someone else? Or did they generate that themselves? The way that I look at it in my work is I now having been doing a donation route, at the beginning with my private readings, now they are a premium offering for me in terms of monetary value. I only do twelve sessions a month now and I charge $497 for that hour with me. And to me that was such a journey to get to that place. Because I remember when I was charging $15 for a reading. And so every time I would incrementally put it up I would go through trauma, and this was back at 2007 and 2008. And I think by the time I got my rate up to about, I think, $250 -$300, everything from there was not such a big deal for me. But what was always going on in my mind was the fear that the people that I was pricing out. People who had worked with me and wanted to work with me, but what I had to recognize was my work was reaching a lot of people each month for free. I was not only giving my time for free to create that work, but I was paying other people to do work around that for me. So I was investing every month in free work. And so that is how I’ve come to see the balance of it. I understand that I can pay my team and myself so that we can all live and I can pay my rent and buy my groceries and do this job and affect a hell of a lot of people for free. So I’m very aware of that balance and I feel really good about that. I’m also aware that some people that look at my website and will say ‘he charges $497 an hour,’ I get it. I can imagine that’s happening and I can imagine people having a reaction or judgment because of that because I know how the world works. Conversely, I also know the feedback I get from the people that I’ve spent the hour with me and what they receive from that. So it’s such an interesting topic. I was the kind of person that literally ran up credit cards so I could go to self-development work when I was in my twenties. And yeah, I think that money is so personal. A: Not to interrupt, but I just have to add to this. I received a degree in economics and one of the big turning points, I was at an seminar, it was an economics forum and the guy that was on the stage said, okay, how does everybody want to define ‘price?’ And he was going into price and cost and supply and demand and things like this. And we were going over the curves. And he said, how do you define price? And everybody kept saying, well, it’s the price of this plus that and that, and he says, no, no, no, NO, the price is equivalent to the value that you perceive of the individual. Period. L: Exactly. A: Period. It’s nothing – L: Exactly. A: It’s something that so many judgments are around money. And the Universe knows no difference between a dollar and a quadrillion. It knows no difference. L: And you know, the thing that I love that I had to kind of have a talking to myself about about a year and a half ago as my company was about to start generating more income and it meant I could take home more of my part time full time(garbled). I caught a money block in myself. I caught a fear of having too much money. And I’m not too attached to money. I’ve always been fine, I’ve always had enough, I sometimes have a little bit more than enough. And sometimes just enough. But I’ve never been hugely materialistic around money or, compared to some people I knew, but I caught this limit within myself. It was a fear of judgment or how I would be perceived if I actually earned more. It was after this that my session rate went up a little more. But I caught myself in that judgment and my answer to it, I really explored it and I did with a healer that I was working with at the time who I knew. What I came to was I know that I like being generous. I know I believe in circulating things, I’m not a hoarder. I believe in circulating money, I always re-invest in paying people, or creating things so I thought what is the problem if you were generating millions, think what you would do with those millions. And that was a big help to me. Because I think that often money is demonized undefined problem on the earth. Yet I question how money would be if it’s in the hands of a lot of the benevolent people that I meet every single day. And what they would do with that money. A: Yes. And the amazing things. We need to remember that those that have the large amounts of money, especially they have a heart like you, Lee, when they really have some good intentions with what they want to do for the planet and the people on this planet – they are able to make quite a difference because they can spread that wealth across the board. And it’s all of the way that you interpret it. L: Well, and thank you for saying that about me, but I personally believe that 90% of the planet would do the same thing. I recognize there was a period about two years when I first had begun this work full time at 2008, I wasn’t earning a huge amount of money are anything like that but I felt comfortable with money. I felt like okay, I have a job, I have a way to generate income, I’m okay. I think what I’ve come to understand if money is not an issue for you, or a focus for you on a daily basis, which I think isn’t the norm for most people, because most people are trying to feed their kids and their families, they are trying to make their money go around. I think that it’s just natural that therefore, that you have enough. Your needs are met then you can think my needs are met so what do I do with this surplus, okay, what other needs can I meet. Maybe I can meet some needs of others. To meet that’s a completely logical way of approaching it. And I think that this logic would appear in all of us as our needs are met. And I certainly think about for my own future. Well, if I generate more wealth in the future that would be interesting to step into a position of how do I distribute this. Where does it go? What can it do? So I actually think most of us would do that if we had the opportunity. A: Yeah, I agree. I agree. I definitely do. And we are all in this together. So why not? L: Totally. Totally. Totally. A: So okay, let us change gears here for a second. I want to hear what is your opinion about the much bantered discussion on the false demiurge? L: You broke up a little. I heard the word, ‘false’ – A: The false demiurge and the fact that the Ascended Masters are just holographic, unreal, they’re not hear for our benefit, nor are the archangels, etcetera, any of these light beings that are all a part of this Light Hierarchy that’s been designed within the Matrix, what is your perception on that? L: I don’t have a take on it, per se, specifically. But I have a philosophy about life which is, ‘I agree, that I know nothing.’ And sometimes I have to feel like I know something so that I can move through something. So for example, if I’m having a breakthrough in area of relationship, I might feel like I have an ‘eureka’ moment, but really that eureka moment is just a marker in that present moment to help me to step forward. And then it will disappear. So I have had experiences where I feel like I’ve walked into past lives of mine without question. But at the same time, I’ve always said, ‘if I die, and someone says, oh by the way, you know, you thought you were having past lives, they were just a construct and you are on the holodeck. And we told you that you were channeling, but actually that was a directive from- .’ And I’m, ‘okay.’ A: Yeah. L: I don’t feel, that’s where I can’t get too embroiled into these arguments. I don’t feel passionately about fighting for the proof, of what’s the truth of something. Because my experience of the Universe, and the more that I’ve awoken is it’s one of those kaleidoscopes. And the more that you look down it, whether you go left, right, straight ahead, up, down there are more and more mirrors peering into them all of the time. (Yeah) So I don’t have a definition that I could in any qualified way to stand by. And I’m taking in the information that comes through me and I access that within myself, for myself, I’m open to the information that resonates outside of me. The truest thing I can really trust and believe in is essence because that’s there. And I also recognize that I’m a flawed human trying to come back to and ground as much as experience and direct an essence in myself as I can. At this time on the planet where we all are, but we certainly are all clamping down on that. So it’s a bit like the movie, Avatar, sometimes you’re on the planet and sometimes you’re back in the base. You know, and that’s kind of the best that I can experience of it. I’m willing to believe that many things are true about our planet. I am actually. I am. A: Me too. Me too. And I think that’s really where I was going and I am again very much on the same page with you is everyone has a different connection, you know. Everyone is all plugged in differently. Everyone has a different interpretation. L: That’s true. A: And therefore, everyone is going to have a differed way of being electrified and being motivated and being stimulated. It’s okay to be different. It’s okay to not agree. It’s okay to agree to disagree. It’s okay to just be and not have all of the answers. And not think that you have all of the answers. Or think that you have to the answers for everybody else. L: I agree. I also, I’m slightly wary of people who are, on a human level, declaring what they know to be true as certain. Because my question is, if you really knew the earth was this way why are you talking about it, what’s that doing for you, is this the best way to convince people of this reality? I always have a lot of questions. I don’t mean I’m a hard sceptic, but even as a channeler, I reserve the right to be an observer of that phenomenon as much as following it or believing it, if you know what I mean. (Yes) And that’s kind of how I approach life. I feel kind of circumspect on everything. There’s always a part of me is to be an observer. And I feel that that is my spiritual self, I really do. So if even a part of me is engaged in something, whether it’s a relationship, or an activity, I can always find the observer in myself. And when I find that observer that has a lot more Presence. A: Yeah. And a lot more validity. You know, than the other selves. If you are coming from that position of observer and you’re distracting yourself or disconnecting yourself, let’s say, from your emotional body which has a tendency to go up and down, and backwards and forwards and all around, depending on – that’s what makes the human apart from other species, apparently, (Yeah) the emotional body. L: Yes. A: And if we don’t keep it in check and we stop to allow it be the master of the ship, and remain in a complete state of observation, our life is absolutely, breath-takingly beautiful. L: It really is. And I think you saying that is so important, because at the moment I think that all of us need to be reminded that to be alive is a gift and at any second your life can transform into something beautiful. I’m not necessarily talking about you win a flight to go to see the Oprah show being taped. I mean literally you go from a stress moment with a person or yourself to turning around and look out the window and see a tree, see the bird on the tree and literally have the Presence to go, ‘Wow, that’s beautiful!’ And some people will go, ‘Oh that’s just disconnecting from what just happened.’ I would say, ‘No, actually, you give yourself the connection moment back into your Presence.’ I think we get obsessed with the things that we’re pushing against, because of trauma in the body, and because of feelings, and yet we are playing them off within loops. And I think that are focused on the negative and I can understand the focus on the negative, because it is overwhelming now with the internet’s rise, we are told everything that’s going on in every country to the level we never used to before. So its slightly overwhelming and horrifying for people, and all of the conflicts going on at the moment. There’s a lot going on that you can be encouraged to feel bad about. But I think, unfortunately, because we have grown-up with the media that has focused us on 85-90% negative thing every single day, yet I always say, if you track your 24 hours and unless you’re having a terribly, chronic time in your life, or you’re dealing with physical pain or suffering to a high degree that day, you won’t have a 85-90% bad day. You might have a 50% bad day, but if I asked you to go through those 24 hours and pick out the beautiful moments or at the very least the calmer or more peaceful moments, you’ll be able to find them for me. But if you look at our media, it is weighted to show you a picture of the world that looks terrifying, horrific, dangerous, people are crazy, people are out to kill you, people are out to – it’s all about people feeling unsafe. So I think that that stays in the body for a reason, but you are exactly right, it is a beautiful life and there are things that we can appreciate in every single second. At some times, this is a discipline for us. Sometimes we have to be reminded of that and to focus on that. A: And I think, the best way to do that is to really understand how to reconnect with Mother Earth. And I wanted to bring this up with you because I remember reading this once awhile back in a book where it was stated that our first and second chakras are actually located with the center of the earth. (Hmm) And I had to really think about that. That’s really an interesting concept and I had to kind of readjust the way I was thinking about the chakra system and my body and the grid system etcetera, and what I came up with was one of the main reasons that we are in the dilemma that we are in today is because of that so-called disconnection with Mother Earth. We speak about it as though the only thing that we really need to do is just to walk on the grass and feel the sun on our face. What would you say would be the most exceptional way to reconnect with Mother Earth? L: Well, first of all, I would say regularity. Because I know that a lot of people, their ideas around what they need to do spiritually or meditation can get very convoluted and very grand and very time-consuming. And that’s the first barrier for someone doing spiritual work. So, I have noticed for myself, and I’ve heard this through the channels that it’s better for you to daily get outside in your garden for ten minutes than to weekly be in nature for two hours. And I really see that truth. So if the very least you can do is just to get out there, that will have a benefit. But what I believe it’s called Earthing, when people walk barefoot on the earth. (umhmm) That’s an amazing thing to do. I do that myself. I don’t do it everyday, but I do it when I feel that I really need to ground. The other thing I’ve noticed is a great thing to do, is to sit on the ground, so sit on your bottom and especially if you sit with your knees up and your feet on the ground and your bottom is on the ground. This literally connects your root chakra to the earth. And this came through a channeling a few years ago. One of the Z’s talked about get your root on the earth for 3 or 4 minutes and it will start to activate and will re-connect. The other thing I’ve noticed is, I remember one day when I had a very busy work day and I didn’t really have my hour that I usually find the time for a hike. But what I did do, I had an work meeting with one of my team about everything that was going on so I took the conversation in to nature. It wasn’t ideal, it wasn’t me completely disconnecting but rather than sitting in my house and not getting my nature fix I decided to have the conversation while working on the hills. So even that helps. So I guess, I’m coming from a place of, it doesn’t have to be too convoluted. You can do very simple things, but getting out is really important because you’ll notice the difference. If you’ve been working on the computer or talking with people all day, you’ll notice you leave your head and drop down into your body when you go out into nature. (Yeah) At the end of the walk you’ll come back and something in you feels invigorated. Part of the trick, is remembering to get out and do it when you are in your mind and thinking about things and your mind goes, ‘uh, I’m fine, I’m too busy to take a walk right now, okay, I’ll go later.’ So what I have to start doing is seeing it as necessary, rather than a luxury. A: You know, that is such a good point for me too, Lee, because I think one of the other things that we discuss so heavily is EMFs and their effect on the body. If you delve into that a little bit deeper, and you figure out why, why did they need to create the EMFs. What was their obsession in creating these distorted energies upon the body? Well, yes, it’s disharmonious for the body but it’s also disharmonious to your connection to your own Mother. That was what was key for me and just that little bit of remembering that she is You and you are her. Like above, so below. And we are all in this together. And one of the things that I constantly remember people is that, ‘but you know, we’re going to get bombarded by tsunamis and earthquakes and all of this other stuff.’ And I say, okay, now in the total year of 2013 which was one of the most volcanic years so far L: Yes. Yes. A: And one of the most erupted years so far. How much of life did we have? And why is that, that we had so far less loss of life? And that is because She loves us. And we are to her, hopefully, we can remember that she is to us, which we’ve just forgotten that. That’s our biggest disconnect right there, Lee. L: I agree with you and I’m going to go one step further, which is something that I’ve been getting my own head around on a personal human level. On about 2011 when I was going through this, I had to realize this, if I was going to die in an disaster, that was okay. (Hmmm) I have to remember that, yes, in our minds talk about being eighty years old. But I’ve always said, if you live that long. Who knows? Who knows what is going to happen in 40-45 years. Which it would be when I am in my eighties. And so, I think that there is something about that too. We are have lost our connection with death. A: Yes. L: We value youth and we’re taught to value youth in our society. Which is a big mistake. It’s kind of like, I’m not saying that we shouldn’t value youth but we certainly shouldn’t de-value the wisdom of our elders to the degree that we do in comparison. So if you look at popular culture, twenty years olds is kind of the paradigm that is seen as the ideal and okay, with teenagers’ music as well, but how many 70, 80 year olds out there that are in the public eye where there aren’t judgments about their age? Or the idea that they are no longer of interest. Now to me, this is an hilarious irony, because if I go somewhere and I’m seeing a seventy or eighty year old person I want to sit with them, because I want to know what they’ve learned, you know. This is a fascinating opportunity to be with someone who has been through seventy or eighty years on the planet and have things to say. Or even if they don’t have things to say, just sitting in their Presence. I find that amazing. A: Me too. I am so much on the page with you on that as well. Because my audience has heard me say this many, many times. My heart goes out to the elderly. (God yes) And the fact that they have been forgotten and are almost cast aside. And again, if we stop, and instead of thinking about all that is being done to us and look instead at why, what is there to gain? And what is it that we are missing in this whole scenario? I mean, if we just took, if every still person that listens to this radio show today, if every one of us took one elderly person and went up to them and helped them to carry their groceries or to their car, or visit them out of the clear blue and they don’t even know us. Just go and give them a kiss and a hug and say, ‘Hi!’ Can you imagine? The kind of light we could create on this planet? L: Well, in a way, what you’ve just said, is exactly what should be happening. Because if you think of that movie, Benjamin Button, what I thought they did so well I thought – it really high-lighted the vulnerability of the final years for the human being. It’s like you do go back to a more baby state. I’m not saying that every single elderly person who is in their last few years is that vulnerable, or that dependent but, there is a truth to it. An eighty-five year old woman who at thirty might have been an Olympic athlete, she might need help carrying her bag and people don’t think about that. But now she has a body that is doing something different, it’s going in a different directly. So I’m very aware of all of that and I think if we were more aware of death in our society there wouldn’t have this sudden quite self-oriented fear of death and self-oriented – oh, what if I die in a tsunami and what I kind of had to go through – it was, what if I die in a tsunami, I never thought about that before, but I guess it could happen, because people have. And I have to be open to whatever this planet is going to show me in my lifetime. So I find something that I’m afraid of, if I visit it a little bit in my psyche and my feeling nature(?) come to a place and accept it on some level as a possiblity. And I find that the more that you do that, the stronger that you become to anything. And then furthermore that you the fact that in this very moment we are alive, like you and I are alive right now having this conversation. People listening right now, are alive right now, listening to this conversation. How much do we connect with that versus oh, god, I have to do my taxes tomorrow, and then I have that hospital appointment Thursday that I’m really not looking forward to. How much are we living everywhere but in the present, is my question to myself. A: Right. And boy, I need to look at that myself, because I get so crazy busy with my schedule. And I often have to stop and think about, why am I doing this? where am I today? what got me to this place today? And to think back to my whole intention and being on fire, like you said, very much on fire to assist others and assist the planet and feeling that that is a big purpose for me. But also recognizing that, hey, if I don’t take care of myself I’m not going to be around to assist. L: Absolutely! And one of the greatest pieces of advice, one of my dearest friends whose been in my life (garbled) and she’s one I will to seek counsel with if I’m wanting to have some external help from someone. She gave me such good advice a little while ago. I think it was a year or so and I was struggling personally with things that were going on, not so much even around me, but in my inner experience I think it was. And I talked with her and I had to do a Energy Forecast video that next day and I was just saying I don’t quite – I don’t feel in an internal space yet my job and my agreements requires me to show up tomorrow. And she was just great. She went, ‘all you have to do is just to show up. Just show up. You don’t have to knock it out the ball park. You don’t have to do the best thing that you’ve ever done.’ She said, ‘if you’ve made an commitment to people to show up, then that’s what they’re expecting from you.’ And it really helped me. She’s always been a wise counsel to me in my smaller or younger moments. And that has been a mantra I have lived by with my work, because I do show up for my work every month, as I’ve done for ten years. And you know, there are times like everybody when you question what you are doing, or if I should be doing something else. And that has been that has helped me to jump back in. And what I’ve caught from that is how we are all so trained to be judgmental of our selves, to worry if we’re giving our best rather than just showing up. And I think, well, this is my best today. Maybe it’s not as good as last month, but this was the best that I could do today and I also honor that as a collective, it’s not just about me. If I am showing up with a person, or to do my job, to be in a relationship, this is a two-fold thing going on there. I think that there’s definitely in the spiritual community a tendency to want to get it right, you know? A: Well, and you brought up another good point, which is really, our word, you know that old saying, ‘Our word is gold.’ There’s so much more to that than the actual words themselves. Our word is gold. From the standpoint that it develops the sense of trust and integrity. If we say, and we speak, we should walk that which we speak, okay. I’m not saying that there should be judgment. If we fall short or we don’t live up to what we said we would do. But it’s very important for us, because we are in a matrix that doesn’t even exist. We are in a matrix of people that are all actors that say one thing and they always do another. L: Or we say one thing and feel another. That’s the other thing. I think that’s a lot showing up. A: That’s a good point. L: I think that’s where we all have to give ourselves a break. There came a point for me in my own awareness with my own isms and schisms, and I had to kind of go, ‘okay, that’s just your tendency. You know, if x, y, and z all line up you tend to react like this. Now that’s great, now you know this about yourself.’ You’ve seen that pattern running a few times. You don’t have to judge it, you can be aware of it, you know what to do to move it along when it comes along. I think the inner judge in the mind, is the enemy to our opening the heart, in a way. Because as soon as you’ve got someone in your mind deciding how well you are doing every day, then how the hell are you going to to safe to fully open up to the feeling because when you open up to the feeling, the feelings start to lead you. And they do things that the mind has never even conceived. Because the mind is referencing from the past and taking the reference what you’ve been taught, what you’ve done, what you have been shown. But where you start living from feeling you start getting weird things. You start walking down a road you’ve never walked down. And as you do it, your mind goes, hang on, we don’t walk on this road, because the mind is used to be in charge. But there comes a point that the feelings start to take over. And I think all of us are stabilizing and grounding that reality dance, so it’s problematic for any of us in the self-development community where we start assessing ourselves and being angry, or annoyed by ourselves with what we think we are doing wrong. I always say, if you see something that you are doing that you recognize is more unproductive than you’d like that is a celebration moment, good for you. You just saw a part of your programming that three years ago that would have been invisible to you and you just followed it along. So that’s actually a celebration moment. A: Absolutely. I share the same thing to my clients. But I love that! It’s perfect! Well, so Lee, what is your feeling about the timeline. Tell me what you perceive from your channelings as to what timelines are we experiencing right now. Are we in One, or are we in multiple timelines, does it matter? L: Yeah, again, this question is the big question because to answer this question clearly you have to answer the eighteen different opinions out there about timelines. So I’ll try to keep it as succinct as I can, which is always my aim. I remember back in 2006. My first ever website was called Guidance 2012.com which was intuited to me and I actually had let go of it by 2006 but I remember be asked about 2012 and what my channels said was, it’s already ahead. They kind of said what a lot of the prophecies had referred to as 2012 has already come forward by 3 or 4 years. And they were saying that the energies will still be strong when we get to 2012 but a lot of what we refer to as historically knowledge of the future was already morphed as it were. The thing that the Z’s always said, which hit me strongly and has proven to be true so far, is that they always said the years between 2013 to 2020 will be the biggest years. So everyone was focused on 2012 and something big would happen. They said it’s all going to play out a lot more slowly that any of you think. There will constantly be pressure cooker moments where you will start to feel as though, oh, we’re on the verge of a collapse, or we’re on the verge of an earthquake, or were on the verge of a World War. And they said these pressure cooker moments will just keep coming. But they said, things will not play out in the way that a lot of the doom and gloom prophecies that certain people wanted to believe. And so I certainly think that is happening. As far as timelines, I actually feel like we in the birth canal. While in a few years ago, you could argue that we are somewhere in the womb and you’re not quite sure when the baby is going to start down the canal. I feel like we have been going down the birth canal for about the last year and a half. And that’s now really clear that we are in the canal. And I feel like that it’s going to be a nine year labor, so it’s something like 2020 and 2021 there will be a lot more understanding of this new paradigm. What I am perceiving is, I see this amazing rise of conscious activities around health, living, energy, and I mean literal energy for our future, renewable energy sources. Then I see this huge rise in the area that I work in, which is the energy science of us as humans, our thoughts and feelings and how they work and how can we open them. Why I see that rise happening is to counteract and to be very bright lights against what we are seeing as the real darkness over in the old paradigm. So whether what’s going on over in Russia, or them trying to push through the anti-gay laws or whatever they are trying to do that is new and frankly, ridiculous, destructive and dark. There’s no other way to look at things like that, like fracking, in my book, that are just destructive. However they try to dress these things up they are just destructive. My feeling is not all of these that we are seeing that are coming to the forefront now are going to stick, these new things. But they are coming through so strongly just to be an example what is possible. And by the time that we get to 2020, it will have all shaken out a bit more and we’ll see which parts of these new birthings will actually become grounded parts of our future. So I’m always really cheering on anybody that is coming out with a new innovation and a bright new idea. I’m just not a kind of person who is looking for the second-coming. I’m not looking for one individual or organization to lead the way for the whole world, because I think that’s a lack of community convergence that we have seen has kept us in division and war. But I love the people coming out there with that gung-ho attitude. So that’s how I see it all at the moment. And like everyone else I’m just watching it every single day and kind of seeing and feeling the changes every single day. A: I was reading a bit of your website and I found this quote from you that was so amazing. You said, ‘Human bodies have never had to go through these frequencies and therefore have no memory code within the body.’ L: Absolutely. I think that was The Crystalline Body quote that I was trying to paraphrase myself. I’ve channeled so much now I can’t remember any of it. But, yeah. So – A: That was SO right on the money, because I think we tend to forget, we’ve never done this before. This is the grand experiment. L: And I think that’s so key as to why the present is so important. Because for those of us who are quite soul-based, we can very easily be past- or future-based. You know, because we have access to the timelines which mark us apart slightly different from the other people who haven’t started accessing that. We have the access to our past, in the sense of the soul history, and that marks us out as kind of different from people who believe that just, you know, Joe Blow who’s living in 2014. But I think that the Presence is the most important bit because we’ve never lived through this. So even if we have a soul history of understanding Atlantis, or ancient alchemy, have we ever lived on Earth in 2014? No. So I think sometimes I think I’ve seen so many people and I myself have experienced the benefit of focusing on the present, more than the past, or the future. And I have had a whole period in my life when thoughts of the past and the future was key to my way of awakening because it was taking me out of my 3-D reality and it lifted me to somewhere else. But once I have been lifted what I then needed to do was to come back and ground it in the present. And bring all of that with me and kind of re-create myself in the Presence. A: God, that’s beautiful, Lee. So do you feel that there are some very significant stronger forces that are behind the scenes that are assisting us with this transition out of the canal, so to speak? L: I really do and I also hear that through the Z’s. That’s one of the things that they have said to me several times over the years, especially when my focus or attention has drawn to some of the darker aspects of our world that people have revealed to us over the last couple of decades. Some of the elites and the power forces that keep control. They always said to me there are hidden forces within those groups and organizations right now that are bringing, that are helping to bring them down from the inside as much as energies and guides and human action are coming to the meeting point of that change from the outside. So I do. I’m very much of the philosophy of being open to everything and everyone. But I have really good bullshit radar. So it means with a second if something is off, with a connection with a person or someone is not telling me the truth about something, I know. I don’t always know what the truth is, or what they are concealing, I might have to investigate that a bit further. But it’s giving me a way of being open in the Universe, rather than being afraid of those malevolent forces in either form or spirit that I might need to avoid. And again, malevolence is a strong word and I feel kind of old world using that, but I guess I come from a paradigm that there are certain forces that are seeking to bring darkness versus light and then there are certain forces that aren’t seeking to bring that on the whole level, but maybe for you they would put you in touch with the darkness rather than the light. And so it’s good for you to know who to connect with and who not to connect with. You don’t have to make a big story about another person being a villian. You just have to go, okay, well that person isn’t quite for me. So I think there are all degrees of it. I think there are people who at large would like the world to be more suffering. And then there is the individual who because of the chemical reaction between you and them, you might just run walking into suffering with them than loving and opening. A: Gosh. It’s interesting that you brought this topic up because I was thinking the other day, I get so many emails about, oh, Alexandra, who can I trust? You know, there are so many people out there that are espousing their personal intel and they know what is going on, and it’s so confusing, and all of this. And I said, basically, there’s truth in everything that you read. (Umhmm) And we are really being challenged to do right now, is to up our own bullshit detector. (Umhmm) We are being literally schooled right now. I always remember Drunvalo saying a long time ago, he said, we’re just at the infant stage- we are literally a very, very young race about to graduate. And it’s exactly what you said, we need to give ourselves a little bit of a break because we’re going through this huge transition, we’re very young in our evolutionary scale. And this is the time that we’re being challenged, we’re being honed, we’re literally being sculpted into a more discerning race. And we can look at the dark as strange as this sounds, we can look at them, and say thanks for helping me to do that really well. L: Absolutely. I’m a big believer in criticism always holding some of the truth. So even if someone would criticize me in a way that was too harsh or aggressive for me perhaps, and I might say to them you can give me the information but don’t push it onto me quite that way. Whatever it is that I need to communicate with someone, I always look at everything and go, well, let’s have a look. What’s the truth in that? Because the truth of it from them, how does that relate to me? I think one thing that listeners who may be listening to what we’re saying, and they’re like this sounds great, but how do I get there? I’m just so sensitive that I’m pinging off of everything. I would take a few minutes a day to start to imagine the inner body and this would be just to start the process for you. If you were to, for an example, while you’re listening now, just close your eyes for a second, and I invite you to put your palms on your chest so you might put them just above your chest, left palm facing down on your left chest, right palm facing down on your right chest, just so that you can make a connection with your torso in the physical body that you have. Now I want you to imagine that inside that body you have this big open cavern. And it’s a big hollow space. Now of course, on the physical level you have organs there and you have all sorts of things inside the body. But on an energy body scale, this inner space is the space you can inhabit where you become much more untouchable by the outer impulses of the world. But the truth is that most people don’t live in this inner space of themselves. They are living out on the edge. They are living at the edges of themselves. And they are living in the relationships at the edges of themselves that they are having with other people on the edges of themselves. So this is how it’s easy to get knocked-off center. If you’re not in your center, and you start having a conflict with someone, you feel strange when you leave it because the two of you met at your edges and you didn’t really get back into you [garbled] into a safe home. So if you just if not anything else for a few minutes a day, you just practice seeing and feeling this hollow space inside of you it will excelerate your energy awareness in this inner body and you will start to lock into this more at lot more. I think, you know, tools and methods are so helpful but ultimately it’s a personal process. And we finally all get there by our own equation and our own timings and for me I just found myself. I was drawn more and more into my inner body after a long period of ricocheting off of impulses. The more that I cleared those impulses up at my edges, the more that I felt, what am I feeling inside and what does the inside me think about all of this. So just practicing it for a few minutes a day might be helpful for people. A: Gosh! Thank you Lee, for that! That was wonderful. And believe it or not, we are almost coming to the top of the two hours, can you believe that? L: Wow. Wow, that was quick. A: That’s why – I wanted to make sure that everybody is aware of your website. It is Lee Harris Energy.com. Now you also have another website. Lee Harris.org. Is there a different between the two? L: Yeah, the Lee Harris.org is a website for my music. So that will probably be brought up to date within about the six months when my next music album is released. But if you go to Lee Harris Energy.com there are several sections on the Home Page that you can choose to visit. And one of them is Music, so that will take you directly through. So probably Lee Harris Energy.com is the best one to go to. A: And by the way, I want to tell everybody that Lee has a wonderful voice. I mean your music is really lovely, Lee. Seriously. L: Thank you, thank you. A: And do not forget everybody to check out his Seven Days of Peace. He’s just released this CD series today. Right, Lee? L: Yes, it’s just coming out today, the day we’re recording, so it will be ready online. The other thing that I might just direct people too if they are interested in keeping up with the work that I do is my free monthly Energy Forecast video, which again, is posted on my website and we make a newletter announcement when it comes out. My YouTube channel is Lee Harris Energy. And if you type in my name on Facebook you’ll come to my Facebook page which is a fairly large community now and we put up a daily quote there everyday so for people who are looking for some daily inspiration or a daily touch base place of the energy things my Facebook page is the best place to connect. But again all of this can be found by accessing the main website. A: And I just want to let everybody know, I always post Lee’s Energy Forecast each month, because I literally, I look forward it. L: Oh thank you. Thank you, Alexandra. A: You are such an old soul in a young body, that is for sure. L: Yes, I have to be careful with the old man within me, sometimes. I have to make sure that the young man gets enough time, it’s a balance. A: Well, it’s a good balance though. And we all want to thank you, I’m so grateful to have you on today. Can we count on maybe pulling you on for a short clip after there are some major changes later in the month of April. Maybe I’ll contact you in April or May? And see if you can be available for a quick update? L: That certainly could be possible. That would be May, right? A: Yes, probably. Yes. L: Yeah, we could certainly do that, Alexandra, yeah. A: Okay. Well again I want you to support Lee’s work. He’s doing a phenomenal amount of service to the planet and not only through his music, but his channeling and his guidance and his art. And so I just want to thank you and thank everybody. My audience is so awesome, you will love them. As you start to hear from them. They are all evolved souls I would say. L: Well, thank you. And thank you for all of your that you are doing. I said to you when you first contacted me, I had to look at the site. I really personally love the range of topics that you have on this Radio Show and I resonate with so many of them. So I thank you for all that you do every month and thank you for having me come on and getting to know you this month. A: Well thanks. I appreciate that. Well, we will have to do this again. And the next time we’ll have a better internet connection. L: That would be good. That would be good. (laughter) A: And we are going to try and play a clip of Lee’s latest, now which one are we playing today, Lee? L: Ah, okay, so maybe – this if from the Adventures of Sound, which is a new series of recordings I started last December and it’s Sound Healing essentially. This piece that we are about to play I believe is called Expand. And it’s from the First Adventures of Sound, which is called Integrate, Open, Expand. A: Awesome. Okay. Well you guys enjoy the day. Have a great one. We’ll talk to you in about a week. Thanks again, Lee. I totally appreciate it. L: Thank you everybody. A: Goodbye everyone. I want to thank our beautiful friend Carol for the speedy delivery of this transcription. She merrily transcribes without wanting public acknowledgment, but I am so grateful as I know others around the world are too!
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