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microphone (1)Louw Venter and Alexandra Meadors – Transcription of interview

A South African perspective on things ancient and current on October 7, 2014

Alexandra: Good afternoon everybody, this is Alexandra Meadors of GalacticConnection.com and today is October 7th, 2014. It’s Tuesday afternoon and as you know it’s my regular scheduled radio show from 3.00 to 4.55 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. But I happen to be recording out of South Africa today and I have a very special guest with me, not only my lovely friends Sandy and Chris Wilkins, but my other new friends, Louw and Rosie Venter. And what I would like to do is give you a little more background on perhaps the Zimbabwe Ruins, some of the things that have been coming about in our lives, we’ve been getting messages for the last several days rampantly and also just to give you a better perspective of what is really truly going on on the other side of the world for all of you that don’t reside in Africa, just to kind of buff the fear porn that’s going on out there and the Ebola scares and the perceptions that we have of other peoples’ civilizations and cultures. Since I’ve been here it’s been fairly amazing and mind blowing to find out some of the things that are really truly happening. So, with that I would like to introduce Louw Venter because that would be the very wise man that I have met, who has somewhat greatly impacted me. I know that I know you from a long, long time ago, that is for sure, so I want you, Louw to give everyone just an idea of where you feel you live. We met originally regarding the Ancient Ones, we were just starting to talk about the Ancient Ones and I thought you can give a little bit of background how you came here, where you live and so on.

Louw: Good afternoon everybody, especially the listener now in the US of A. We are speaking now from the other SA, from southern Africa. I think what Alexandra is getting at is to get some more background on me as a person. I was born in Potchefstroom, in the Eastern Transvaal or the eastern section of the Republic of South Africa and moved down to the Eastern Cape or the border area of Southern Africa between the old Cape colony and the Transkei where Nelson Mandela and the other subsequent Presidents and hierarchy of the ANC came from. My first contact with the Olden Ones was when I was five years old. I had to open a gate on a farm, and I was struck with a shiny light and I think that’s where the first implant was done on me.

Alexandra: Of course, benevolent.

Louw: I presume it is benevolent, not malevolent because I’m still alive. It if was malevolent I wouldn’t be telling the story.

Alexandra: No, that’s true. And you are basically protecting a very sacred ground.

Louw: That is so. We find that from the Olden Ones there is a group of Olden Warriors protecting my setup here now where I reside at the moment in the northern part of southern Africa near the Zimbabwean border, and I feel that with the knowledge and perspective that comes up now and again and the OBE or out of body experiences that a person has had and also the near death experiences when I was told that I was part of the Olden Ones. They said I couldn’t have died at that stage because I still had to perform duties. What they are, I don’t know. I presume as I will perform the other duties automatically.

Alexandra: And just to add to that. I know that that is part of your past by just meeting you and feeling your essence. I mean, as my girlfriend Laura would say “you are an old wise owl”. Like you are even beyond that. There is an ancient kind of feeling around you and the amount of knowledge and wisdom you have is really penetrating those that are around you. So, continue as you started delving into the lot of the ancient wisdom and the conspiracy information and what was really going on on the planet, when did that start for you?

Louw: I started in the early 50s or should I say 1950s, it’s not 2050, when I started delving into information because I could not get answers to questions that I put. Eventually, through an OBE I met up with an old, wise man that told me that I needn’t worry, the information and enlightenment would come automatically. As I discovered, I can see orbs, I can also see auras on people, is one of the things that I found with Alexandra is either in this life but in the far distant past. We’ve met, I don’t know whether she was one of my girlfriends then – we’ll have to find out in future – but it’s a very interesting subject to try and find answers to questions that the general public or general scientists cannot give a person.

Alexandra: I totally agree. Now you mentioned the out-of-body experience. Can you tell us a little more about that?

Louw: The first out-of-body experience I had was when I was just 16 years of age and I was lying on my bed, slowly floated away from my body and then I hit the ceiling. I turned around and saw myself on the bed and having no knowledge of OBE I was scared that the silver thread that binds you to your body would break. But it seemed to be a scare that was never to be realised.

Alexandra: So how long do you feel you were actually out of your body?

Louw: I didn’t actually feel out of my body, I knew I was out of my body, I could see the clocks and the situation around the house and around the estate we used to stay and it must have been an out-of-body experience of about an hour and a half. The main thing is that I have been in the house on my bed physically but my astral body was out of my physical body and floating around and I could see and determine who was doing what. But they don’t have to worry about it, I won’t give secrets away.

Alexandra: So what did you feel was the upshot of the major message from that experience? A lot of people say that when you have an out-of-body experience it is a jump in consciousness. Did you experience that as well?

Louw: At this stage – no. It was just a physical separation between body and soul. What my brother afterwards told me was that my metabolism slowed down completely in my physical body so the energy was available for my astral body to float around and to move around with.

Alexandra: Very interesting. So that would have been when you were 16.

Louw: That was the first time.

Alexandra: You had another one?

Louw: Several.

Alexandra: How many have you had?

Louw: Out-of-body experiences – in total it must have been 120.

Alexandra: And you actually kept track of all those.

Louw: You tend to remember the situations and times and experiences that you’ve had because it makes such an impact on a person’s soul and a person’s memory.

Alexandra: So which one was the most impacting? Which experience?

Louw: The most impacted one was a near-death experience. I have had only one of those.

Alexandra: We are happy to hear that.

Louw: So that I can still discuss the situation with you. I had a stent or a heart attack or designer, I don’t know what you would call it.

Alexandra: Triple by-pass, right?

Louw: Ya, not the whole operation but to have stents fitted.

Alexandra: For your heart, ok.

Louw: And they started hurting me because they don’t give you anaesthetics and so on. Forced myself to get out of my body and all of a sudden, when I was out of my body, I started saying “Good Bye” to them, the physical world and so on. Somebody or some force stopped me and told me to go back, it’s not my time yet. There are still things that I have to do. They or the voice didn’t explain what it was so I assume that I automatically know what I need to do.

Alexandra: Did you recognize this being that was guiding you to return back?

Louw: I felt that it was Divine Creator. Actually nobody or anything told me that, it was just the feeling that I received. The time that it lasted must have been about ½ an hour. When I came out of the experience and also out of my own out-of-body experience the whole stent fitting situation was past and I was back in ICU.

Alexandra: That’s fantastic. Did you actually intend to go into an out-of-body experience because of the lack of pain killing? Did you actually say to yourself “oh my God this is so painful, I could actually use my ability to astral travel”?

Louw: I think so. It started hurting me because as the people who have…. Where the catheter entered into my veins started hurting me. To get rid of the pain and so on I forced myself out of my body.

Alexandra: Fantastic. Did you teach yourself to do this? You know there are people all over the world who would love to know how to astral travel.

Louw: I didn’t actually teach myself. It’s a thing that came naturally and because the situation warrants it. Especially in the case of pain and you don’t want to disturb anybody else then you just float out of your body and into your astral body, making sure that the silver cord is not tangled.

Alexandra: Not disconnected. So where there any commonalities, a pattern with all your OBEs? I mean is there something that you could generalize for the audience? What did you ultimately come away with in respect of the Universe?

Louw: To start off, to get out of your body you must have a completely relaxed situation, then you can work yourself up slowly into a mode of leaving your body. At first it can be a scary situation but afterwards you know that you are still connected by the thread to your physical body and it’s not scary anymore. And what I found is that in my astral body I can escape time. To move back in time, I haven’t tried to move into the future because I don’t want to know what the future holds. Keep it as a surprise for myself as well

Alexandra: Have you ever embedded yourself in a past timeline and enabled an exchange or contact, e.g. Rosie, your wife? Were you able to go back when you guys were young and contact her at that time?

Louw: No. I never tried that.

Alexandra: Well, there you go, there is something for you to try.

Louw: I will. What I found is that in the astral plane I can receive warnings of happenings that is detrimental to me or my family. Defensive steps or recommendations to improve the situation we are entering in. As an example, my kids were in boarding school at that stage about 260 km from us where we are staying now. We dropped them at the boarding school and were returning home at 8.00 at night and in Africa the darkness and nightfall goes quicker than in the rest of the world.

Alexandra: I noticed that, too.

Louw: I just received an astral warning to stop immediately my vehicle. I stopped and was amongst some Kudu. A Kudu is a South African antelope, just slower than the Eland, Eland being the biggest antelope in the world, and if I hadn’t listened to the voice or warnings, I would have had a terrible accident.

Alexandra: That’s fantastic. So, are you in touch with them on a regular basis, I mean, do you communicate with the Ancient Ones regularly?

Louw: No. I communicate with them when they want me to communicate. When they want to, yes.

Alexandra: And how do you see them? How do you see the Ancient Ones?

Louw: As I am physically looking at you, I see them like that.

Alexandra: Ok.

Louw: As beings and so on. They’ve got strange dresses or apparel on sometimes, sometimes robes, sometimes tight fitting artificial clothing that looks like a second skin.

Alexandra: Interesting. Do they shapeshift?

Louw: I haven’t met anybody shapeshifting, no. Only once when I have seen it was on TV. Some of the guys in various places, and I won’t mention any names, you see them shapeshifting on the stage.

Alexandra: The most fascinating portion for me was how you were guided to this farm and once you got here what you found out. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Louw: Ya, it was my dream to have my own farm because after my Dad left a family farm we went and worked for various companies and eventually I dreamt of having my own farm. This one day I sat paging through the local rag or newspaper, as we call it, and there was an advert of several small farms and all of a sudden I felt to ring, draw a ring around this one advertisement and about half an hour after I ringed it, my wife phones me and says that there is a farm available, and the kids being independent and so on, we could go and see it and talk about it. And I said, don’t you worry, I have even drawn a sketch of the house on your farm. So eventually we decided to buy the farm, that’s where we are at now.

Alexandra: Ya, Rosie told me a very fascinating story about how she literally was drawn right to this farm, how it was just very synchronistically opening up a lot of opportunities to come to this farm. Right, Rosie?

Rosie: Yup. I never look at any advertisements of farms or houses. But on this special day it was as if somebody took me by the shoulder and said: Look. And immediately when I looked I felt I tell my husband. And they said “Ya, get a drawing of the house and get the agent to take us and when we got here, there were a couple of plots, small farms available and this special farm, when I saw it I said “I want this one. Not that or that or that, this one.” It was as if somebody guided me and told me “that’s for you.”

Alexandra: Very cool, very cool. And do you both feel extremely protected on this farm?

Rosie: Ya, I feel no fear. I feel that I am actually guided or that we do have a guard over us and that I don’t have to fear anything. You know, even small little thefts from the people, they are minimal. I never have any big, say thefts or that they even try and steal or harm us in any way.

Alexandra: I think you both also mentioned that this property is so guarded that they are almost afraid…didn’t you say something like that?

Rosie: Our labourers they came to us, they said to us “we won’t bother you”, and there are these big white people that are guarding the house.

Alexandra: So they see the big, white people. Isn’t that fascinating?

Louw: In actual fact there are big white entities, 12 feet tall, I have seen them once and they are protecting the property and the area. So there is no problem, no hassle and so on.

Alexandra: So I want to kind of add my two cents. I didn’t know anything about this property. I just knew that you guys were very cool people because of what Chris and Sandy had said. “You really need this man, he is very wise, I have such a connection with him”, so I said, “well, let’s do it”. He mentioned something how you might have seen these tall white beings and I said “oh, we have to go down there. There is something about it, I got to go down there.” And when I was walking your property I was blown away by the … it’s not a vortex, it’s a doorway, I mean, it’s truly one of the strongest portals I’ve been around in a long time. I was going to ask you, could you tell us a little bit about what you found out about this property?

Louw: Eventually when we bought the property we saw there were four land claims on the property but the Olden People told me I needn’t worry about that, it won’t be to my disadvantage because of the portal that is here we have to keep the property as one. We can’t subdivide it or sell it off again and we have to keep it in the family.

Alexandra: And then, you were talking about it today, the horseshoe.

Louw: Ya, what we did, because it was undeveloped, American people would better understand, it’s like a homestead – I think the American homestead is something like 150 acres …

Alexandra: It depends on the state.

Louw: It depends on the state and the area legislation, this is more or less the same. But it was completely undeveloped, thorn bush the whole place through and I started walking with my divining rods to try and locate water and eventually I located the water and we got a guy operating a drill to drill us a well and he used his magnetometer to trace water also. Where he decided the strongest available water that we can drill for was only about 6 inches away from where I found the ideal spot. And then he showed me on his map as he walked the property to find the best place to drill the whole area underneath the property, the subterranean water was in the form of a horseshoe, sort of a subterranean lake. We drilled there and we found good water.

Alexandra: Now tell them how many gallons per minute it was when they originally found her.

Louw: We don’t count if as gallons per minute, it’s gallons per hour. The test pump we put in there pumped it for four hours and there was 12 000 gallons an hour, and what we decided not to do put stress on the supply, we only utilize 4 or 5 thousand gallons an hour.

Alexandra: That’s amazing, in California you are doing really well if you got 300. That just gives a perspective of what you are sitting on. That’s amazing. Rosie, you wanted to say something.

Rosie: But the most amazing thing of it is, Alexandra, is with this first borehole we struck that water and my son has tried to bore a couple of holes and he didn’t get the amount of what we have got there.

Alexandra: So you went right smack bang into the middle of where you needed to go.

Louw: Into the heart of heart of the water supply.

Rosie: As if somebody wanted us …

Alexandra: They guided you there. So again a borehole is something we call a well in the United States and so once you successfully did that, I noticed you took us today for a drive through all of your different farming areas and can you give us just a synopsis of the different types of animals you see here on a fairly regular basis.

Louw: Well, Alexandra, let me put this way. First we didn’t worry so much about game and animals, we concentrated on vegetables and fruit trees and the potential was quite high because for Cheripitas, that’s a type of chilli produced on an area of 5 acres, we produced about 30 tons of peppers per season, or else if we put in tomatoes we produce something like 60 tons per ha but the amount of labour is intensive that’s why we stopped farming with veggies and fruit and brought in animals – exotic game animals – and at the moment we have Eland, we’ve got some Nyalas, that’s one of the most beautiful animals to me in Africa, and we also have black Springbok, normal Springbok, Impala, normal Impala and black Impala, the monkeys – thousands of them…

Alexandra: For you but when I came around here, that was the highlight of my day

Louw: That was also the year when we stopped farming with vegetables, they reaped as much as we did.

Alexandra: I hear they are very cunning.

Louw: They are very cunning and clever and very resourceful. But not having fruit and vegetables anymore, we have no problems with them anymore. We can enjoy them as well as them being on the property here. And we have got Bushbuck, and Duikers – they call them Duikers in English or Afrikaans – and we’ve got a Dam, about 200 metres long, 7 metres deep, we’ve got various types of fish in there, so it’s an ideal place to live.

Alexandra: I mean, just the life here is truly inspirational. If you were an artist or writer or someone who really needed their time and space to really connect with the planet, this is one place I really would ….

Louw: It would be ideal here.

Alexandra: So you landed on the farm, obviously you had…how many children?

Louw: We’ve got three children.

Alexandra: Right.

Louw: And their wives and grandchildren and great grandchildren. Three children and ten grandchildren and we’ve got now two great grandchildren.

Alexandra: So at this stage of your life are you delving more into some of the truth seeking that you maybe didn’t have time before? Have you really been getting involved in that?

Louw: We have been involved in it even though we worked the land and so on, we still had time to chase and nourish – I think the American people would call it “laid back” situation – where we can take our time and do our studies, follow-ups, experiments and so on that we find necessary to expand our horizons. As the saying goes “you have to look at everything and retain the good.”

Alexandra: Ya, thank you for that. That’s very true. And I find it very interesting to speak with you because you are very well read and you have quite a bit of knowledge in a lot of different areas. One of the things I wanted to ask you about is how do you feel that the South Africans perceive The United States? I know, go for it.

Louw: The truth?

Alexandra: I want the truth. We all want the truth.

Louw: Years ago, I can’t remember the actor’s name, I think it was Gregory Peck, made a film “The Ugly American” and do you know the American that we met and have spoken to and we find is very much like us, no big difference. The big difference lies in the governments. I think the government in America is forcing upon the Americans ideas and stuff that the people don’t want. But they sold out their Constitution for progress.

Alexandra: Do you feel the world is kind of wondering what is happening with the United States, that we are not taking a more active role… you mentioned something the other night when I saw you.

Louw: Ya, the main thing or the thing that I was wondering is why can the people of America itself allow them to be led by the noses, as there are being led now? Firstly monetary wise, secondly fighting in other countries that have nothing to do with them because this fighting against terrorism is just a scam.

Alexandra: Ya.

Louw: It’s an excuse to go to war if it was not necessary. And the financial systems that they have, the Federal Reserve System, because it is private system and a monetary policy being forced onto the Americans that they did not ask for and which, if they read their Constitution well, shouldn’t be allowed.

Alexandra: Ya, I agree. So, I think a lot of people throughout the world do tend to watch what is happening with the United States and Obama. What is your opinion of what is going on with Obama and our government from a South African perspective?

Louw: Alexandra, let me put it this way. We in South Africa can’t really point fingers. We’ve got a similar government leaning on the people and not doing what the people want. You and your country at this stage, I would think, are also being led to the slaughter, financially, socially, politically. They are forcing situations, forcing opinions and also doings on you, on the people, taxing them to death. If they didn’t have the Federal Reserve, the government could have made their own money and the cost of the money would have only been the paper and the salaries of the people who make it.

Alexandra: Ya, absolutely right. We’ve lost a couple of Presidents over that main issue.

Louw: I think a few of your Presidents were killed because of that.

Alexandra: I agree. So you brought up your own Government. Can you give us a little bit more information about what is going on politically within South Africa and can you tell us anything about the other provinces, I believe you call them, within Africa as a continent. Maybe clarify for all of those out there – you mentioned today how Africa is not the only province within Africa. There are …

Louw: I see what you are getting at. South Africa is a country on its own, in actual fact a Republic on its own. There are about 76 different countries in Africa.

Alexandra: That’s an interesting number, isn’t it?

Louw: I’m guessing now. I don’t know the exact number. But the people overseas, in Europe and in China and Russia and in America – all the Americas, North and South America – tend to think of South Africa as Africa. And it’s not. All the Republics around South Africa have got their own governments …

Alexandra: Just like Europe…

Louw: Just like Europe, not as stable as they are in Europe although in Europe they are getting unstable as well now. The main thing is the governments tend to enrich themselves and the politicians, instead of doing the things that the people want and enriching the people. You can’t uplift the poor by killing off the rich.

Alexandra: and is that what you feel has happened here?

Louw: That’s what I feel has happened here. There are farm murders all the country over and the Agricultural Forum has gone to the UN to fight for recognition and better treatment, the safety and security of the farmers because without the farmers there is no food security in the country.

Alexandra: And this is a huge agricultural country.

Louw: It’s a huge agricultural country. If you take Zimbabwe as a case in point, they had something like 35 000 white farmers in Zimbabwe, there is not one anymore. And they are in a situation of famine.

Alexandra: And where did all of these farmers go?

Louw: Well, a lot of them were killed. Most of them came down to South Africa, but they lost everything in Zimbabwe …

Alexandra: And that was around what year?

Louw: It started in Zimbabwe around the beginning of the 70s. And eventually most of these farmers are looking for bigger companies or businesses, so there is no utilization of their knowledge and expertise. There was a group of Zimbabwean and South African farmers that went to the Combush, there are three of them, but that only lasted 4 or 5 years and inter-fighting and so on developed, so the farmers had to get out. The guys in those countries are losing food for political purposes.

Alexandra: Wow, and you did mention there were some liens put against this property, correct?

Louw: That is so.

Alexandra: Because of some new legislation?

Louw: It is of a new legislation, because they reckon the base line is 1913 and any taken away properties was from that day onwards, because of Apartheid, and that is also a misnomer. Apartheid means “separate development”. Bigger guys or politicians in Europe or America and other places they call it “hate” instead of “heid”. The biggest propagator of Apartheid or segregation is Britain, they call it separate development because they had the Lords and the Commoners, levels of differentiation in their country. They started it in South Africa after the Anglo Boer War, now they want to point a finger at the Afrikaner. It is dumb.

Alexandra: Very much so. So, is there still that very strong British influence on South Africa politically?

Louw: Politically not as strong as before. But to give an example, our State President is President Zuma. He’s only got a standard five or level 8 degree of education, whereas the previous people had doctor’s degrees. How can a guy who cannot even do his mathematics properly, how can he lead the country? That’s my personal feeling.

Alexandra: Interesting. And is he promoting more peace between the Blacks and the Whites in South Africa, do you feel?

Louw: I don’t think so. Because at rallies he started singing “bring me my machine gun”.

Alexandra: Oh my God, seriously?

Louw: Seriously. To give a case in point, one of our workers on Friday morning was attacked on the way to the farm. Her hands were cut, she landed up in hospital. That happened this Friday past.

Alexandra: And the reason for that?

Louw: It’s Black on Black violence. It’s just violence per se.

Rosie: That comes through no work because of all the strikes, a lot of people strike, they don’t get money, that’s where the trouble is starting to get in. Now they steal from each other, they fight a lot.

Alexandra: So where do you feel the resolution is for your country with this? It sounds to me, just talking to Chris and Sandy, that there has been quite a bit more upheaval, a nicer term, between the Blacks and the Whites in the last say ten years or so.

Louw: The last four years I would say. But that is also either Labour Unions or political. But we are getting off the point we started off with. We are on Politics now where we should have been on the Ancients.

Alexandra: Well, we’ll get there. But I think it’s very interesting for the rest of the world to know what’s really going on here because we get only very filtered information, other than say Tellinger, there just isn’t a lot of information coming out of South Africa for that matter. But the other thing I wanted to ask you was how do you see this continent playing a role in the Ascension process that’s going on with Mother Earth and the Globe at this point?

Louw: Alexandra, I feel it’s going to play a major role. If you take scripture, if you take writings and clay tablets of the Sumerians, they all speak of a new selection or erections of countries and civilizations below the rivers of Ethiopia. And the rivers of Ethiopia we took, we name it Zambesi and the Limpopo. Across South Africa and all the countries below that have all the potential in the world in metals and technical stuff, things out of the ground and so on, minerals is the word.

Alexandra: Incredible waterways…

Louw: And not only that. If the people are properly led it can be Utopia in the world. It again can become the bread basket of the world as it was before 1960.

Rosie: I just want to tell you something else. Whites in South Africa, in one white location, there are more than 700 people living there, impoverished, because they can’t get work, nothing.

Alexandra: That’s where it’s gotten very difficult for them because of all the strikes.

Louw: Not only strikes, but to take the World Cup Soccer Tournaments, the whole stadiums cost billions of Rand or billions of Dollars, something like two or three in every province were built at 2 or 3 billion Dollars. It is money that could have gone for the upliftment of the poor. And it was now just poured down the drain on the World Cup Soccer Tournament because there was no profit made out of that tournament. So in other words, the way I view it, the silver and the gold of the people has been pawned for soccer ideology.

Alexandra: The same is occurring in the United States as well.

Louw: Ya, you call it Football, we call it Rugby. And some people who watch our Rugby say “people will kill themselves.”

Alexandra: Ya, I hear that Football is pansy compared to Rugby, even though our Football players wear all the padding.

Louw: That’s what I was going to say. They wear the padding, sort of protective armour whereas the South African or the rest of the world’s Rugby or Rugby football wear no protection.

Alexandra: Ya. So, tell me a little bit about the South Africans in general. It seems to me that you are a very enlightened soul and I would imagine that the two of you might have had a little challenge finding others that seek as expansively as you do. Is it easy to find other like-minded couples?

Louw: Alexandra that is one of the problems we have, not only in South Africa but the rest of Africa, the rest of the world. The people tend to be blinded by getting up in the morning, taking a shower, scoffing down breakfast, rushing off to work, coming back home at night, dish up a meal and go to bed. They have no idea what is going on around them. The other thing is, additive stuff in foods and in water affect the brains and the metabolisms of people. So they tend to be cumberlogistic (lethargic), they have to get out of that rut and start thinking for themselves.

Alexandra: So how do you recommend people do that?

Louw: Read more listen more, open your eyes and so on for knowledge, create situation where you form either close or friendship groups discussing various items, irrespective whether it’s politics or sports and so on. Sport must be in life, politics also must be in life. To take an example, what is a Republic? A Republic is a wagon and the people on the wagon were only the ill, very sick, very aged and very small. The rest of the population used to draw the wagon. Now the politicians came around afterwards like jackal running up and down the team that’s pulling the wagon “vote for me, vote for me, then you can ride on the wagon”. Now everybody is on the wagon. Who is pulling the wagon now?

Alexandra: Good analysis.

Louw: It’s my view of it.

Alexandra: You know, speaking of wagons. I think it’s fascinating to share with the audience the commonality of our histories. Now we were talking about the story …can you go in a little bit about the wagons that went north?

Louw: Yes, I think in America the saying was during the 1700 and 1800 “go west, my man, go west.” In South Africa it was “go north”. More or less the same time the countries were settled and if you take the comparisons I would think they are very close to each other. The basic people are very similar to each other and the use of knowledge and the expertise are very similar. In some instances you got the Germans that were world leaders in technology, in other instances you get South Africans that were world leaders in technology. In other instances it’s the Americans that are world leaders. So we have a great common factor that seems to drive the people, not only to prosper but to excel. It seems that people are very much the same basically.

Alexandra: Ya, very true. Now, would you agree that the continent of Africa has been severely targeted by the Cabal?

Louw: The whole world is targeted by the Cabal.

Alexandra: But have they been more so in Africa?

Louw: I think so, yes, because they are easier to handle because the expertise the typical African has got is not up to standard compared to the Cabal. They can’t fight and try and block and remedy what the Cabal has created.

Alexandra: I was going to say that I find the South Africans and the Zimbabweans, if that is the right word, I find the essence here to be so incredibly pure. When I see them, whether they have any kind of individual stuff going on or not, there is an amazing essence about the people here. I noticed that some of Sandy’s and Chris’ friends they walk barefoot, they sing all the time, apparently they bathe in the river, which I found fascinating. They don’t have sewage, they just bury the stuff in the road for they are very in touch with the Earth, and I was wondering whether you think that’s one of the reasons.

Louw: They are very trusting people and they are very childlike. They have got an essence that is typical African. Today is today, tomorrow is tomorrow. Today is the tomorrow we were worried about yesterday. And the main things is that the leaders amongst them are so into power politics and wealth that they tend to forget about their populations that really need it.

Alexandra: What about Mandela? What’s the story behind that, what’s really going with that whole thing?

Louw: Mandela? Straight I see it. Mandela was in some people’s view a freedom fighter. But one person’s freedom fighter is another person’s terrorist. They killed on Johannesburg Station with bombs, Pretoria – bomb – they killed something like 48 people in Pretoria; that was in the beginning of the 60s, end of the 50s and in Johannesburg it was 146 people killed – he had a finger in the pie of. So he is not as innocent and the icon that people think he is.

Alexandra: Do you think he brought forth additional benefits and creating some peace and harmony between the Blacks and Whites?

Louw: Not really, no. The benefits that the ANC supposedly brought to the country after they won the referendum and the election was money that was already secured by the Government’s previously English/British and Afrikaans or national parties to use it for upliftment or should have been used for upliftment of the poor, but it never was. It was to enrich the politicians. To take a case in point, our local town – when it was taken over by the ANC…

Alexandra: And the ANC is?

Louw: African National Congress. That Mandela was part of. But Louis Trichardt was taken over by the ANC and the Municipal Council had in the bank, secured on a savings and long term investment, something like 142 million Rand. They had on the deposit scheme that our electrical systems work on, you leave a deposit and you use it during the month and at the end of the next month you pay your electric bill and so on, so the municipalities are covered by the deposit system for monies to be paid over to the suppliers of electricity. They had in the deposit system something like 82 mill Rand. And now, after 20 years, that money is gone. They are in debt to 240 million Rand, so what does it tell you? It tells me, it is mismanagement.

Alexandra: Right. Like all the rest of the country.

Louw: The rest of the world actually.

Alexandra: They are in trillions of dollars debt. And, of course, the system cannot stay alive unless we creating debt at this point.

Louw: That’s another thing. Take the USA, for argument’s sake. They have, as you said, several trillion Dollars in debt. You can’t just create debt, create debt, create debt and expect the country to prosper. The same in South Africa, you can’t just give money – there are 6 million tax payers in South Africa. Six million tax payers can’t support 50 million non-payers.

Alexandra: Wow.

Louw: Physically it’s an impossibility, it has to collapse sometime.

Alexandra: And do you feel that’s right around the corner?

Louw: It has to be worldwide. The situation, especially of credit and so on around the world can’t be sustained.

Alexandra: Now that brings me to a good question for you. I noticed that some of the comments that have been made by Sandy and Chris regarding the Chinese. That there has supposedly been some infiltration of Chinese stores, merchandise, things like that and I myself have read that the Chinese have been much more pursuant of humanitarian causes in various provinces within Africa. Would you agree with that?

Louw: Not in total, no. Because, no. 1 in Zambia, in Malawi and those places the Chinese have offices and also contracted to build railroads. They brought in their own labour, they brought in their own materials, and they brought in their own expertise. They didn’t utilize the locals at all.

Alexandra: Too bad.

Louw: So what benefit is that railroad line to the local populace?

Alexandra: And why are they building these railroads?

Louw: It is difficult to answer that question because on the propaganda side of it there is humanitarian assistance given to African countries but the main thing is, if you take the scenario where they use their own labour, they import their own labour and as soon the project is finished, that labour doesn’t go back to China. It stays in that African country for the upkeep of the system.

Rosie: They’ve taken over the Copper mines.

Louw: That’s another point. They’ve taken over the copper exploitation, the copper mining and also the diamond mining system in Zimbabwe.

Alexandra: Wow, are you serious? I didn’t know that.

Louw: And they use their own labour, they use Mugabe’s troops to keep the other labourers out of that area, for a purpose. If it was for humanitarian purposes that they came in for the first time as they said they were, why utilize their own labour? As soon as the project is finished, why does that labour not go back to China instead of staying in Africa? Is it the same situation as it was in the 1700 or 1800s where the Caucasian people colonized Africa, it is now being colonized by the Chinese. That’s another way of thinking about it.

Alexandra: That’s very interesting. Now is it true that they are building entirely new road systems? I have heard that, and school systems?

Louw: I can’t prove it but from what I heard that is one of the scenarios that are being created. There is a scenario that is in and out of our newspapers, they want to take over Modderfontein – that is a suburb of Johannesburg – and they want to create a high-rise situation, something similar to New York. Who are they going to put in there? What are they going to do with their labourers they brought from China after the project is finished? Are they going to stay in South Africa or are they going to be moved back to China? So, if they stay in South Africa, what’s the benefit to the locals?

Alexandra: Interesting.

Louw: In my mind there is no benefit.

Alexandra: Wow, so are the Chinese working in particular provinces more than others?

Louw: Yes.

Alexandra: And where would that be?

Louw:   In Gauteng and in the Free States’ gold mine regions. They’ve taken over two mines that I know of in small towns called Koppies. And the other thing is how much of America do the Chinese and Arabs own?

Alexandra: Quite a bit. Well, a lot of people, especially the Chinese, are almost acting as the Saving Grace of the world. Do you have any opinions on that?

Louw: I don’t believe that. Because there is a highway system that was built from China down towards Iran/Iraq’s way, a six-lane road that they built stops at the Euphrates River. Why would it begin in the bush and stop at the river? What is the purpose of that road system that they created?

Alexandra: Well, maybe we don’t know who prevented them with going further.

Louw: Well, if they cross the Euphrates River they are going through other countries. So it was either stopped by those countries’ governments or else the Cabal. But if the Cabal want to utilize that road system – what for? There is always a question mark behind anything the Cabal does.

Alexandra: And you follow the money.

Louw: If you want answers, follow the money trail, ya.

Alexandra: So, is there anything else that you can share with us about just Africa in general as far as the way in which the country is, I should say, moving ahead, progressing?

Louw: Alexandra, the people are dismayed. Between my wife and I we know Africa from Kenya downwards. She was born in Kenya, same as Obama, your State President. He is part Kenyan, part American – there is also a question mark there. And the other thing is the Cabal is losing his grip on the financial situation but they still persist trying to implement their ideas. And if they can’t implement their ideas financially using the American people and the American Government as a battering ram, to create wars and so on in areas where they got nothing to do in that country. The only thing that we can see is they either protect the oil reserves or else, like in Saddam Hussein’s instance, protect the water supply under the desert. Those water supply pipe lines were more than 6 feet in diameter. So how much water can you transport in a pipeline like that?

Alexandra: Ya, it always seems to get back to the resources.

Louw: Exactly. The people or group that controls the natural resources of the world controls the world.

Alexandra: Ya, that is very true.

Louw: But if you go back even further, in Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s words, he says “give me the right to make and distribute money, the Britishers can do what they want.” But he still has them by the short hairs if he creates all the money. So, if you want answers, follow the money trail.

Alexandra: Very good point. Well, let’s go back a little bit, to the antiquity of Africa. And you and I, we’ve had a couple of conversations about this and one of the things I was wondering is: how do you feel that Africa plays a role in this raising of consciousness on the planet? How do you feel it?

Louw: I think that a big issue would be for people to start to realize that Africa was the Cradle of Man. From Malawi and down towards Cape Point at Cape Town they discovered fossils and so on proving that the development of a human or red ape was created in the southern part of Africa, what the olden people used to call the “Abzu”. The Abzu is below the rivers of Ethiopia. Mr Mike Tellinger had a session of Johannesburg University, or we call it Wits University, and he found that over the whole of Africa or southern Africa there were stone circles that could create anything. So they didn’t have the necessity to create cold fire and atomic driven …

Alexandra: Atomic fusion, right?

Louw: Ya, but systems to create electricity. It seems to be a network of small energy producing items and that is, in my mind, we’ll have to go in future again. Use the Earth for what the Earth was for, for the benefit of Man. Not for the benefit of a few but for the benefit of whole Mankind.

Alexandra: Very good point. And I know that he has found countless circles. Primarily in what location?

Louw: Ya, primarily it was from the southern Africa area. And I think at a certain stage he spoke of something of 100,000 or 500,000 circles that they’ve discovered.

Alexandra: It’s incredible.

Louw: They tested that the energy outside of the Sun circles was lower than the energy inside the Sun circles. We most probably can go back to that kind of system.

Alexandra: Kind of makes you wonder why the English were so hell-bent on coming into South Africa to begin with.

Louw: You said English?

Alexandra: Ya.

Louw: In that instances Cecil John Rhodes and his cronies went after gold and diamonds. But he had a vision that he wanted Africa to be part of the British Empire from Cape Town right to Cairo.

Alexandra: Because of all the minerals or natural resources?

Louw: Natural resources, that’s why Zimbabwe was called Rhodesia before, named after Cecil John Rhodes. So I would think they were just exploiting Africa. They are still doing that through the deep gold mines, gold production and iron ore and all that. But the base metals and stuff were exported, they took it out of the country and didn’t enhance it in the country or created items for sale and so on in the country and by that create jobs for the masses. So I would think they still have a finger in the pie but not the general public of Britain or the English or Europeans,   the Cabal in those countries. It comes back to the “follow the money trail”.

Alexandra: And you have said there has been an actual major exodus, I thought you told me that’s why a lot of Brits have left South Africa. And there was a big exodus of the Whites in what year?

Louw: From about 1996. Ya, even part of my family left South Africa, my daughter and her family, husband and kids moved to Australia. Because of criminality, because of BEE – I don’t know whether Americans will understand BEE – it’s Black Economic Empowerment. Irrespective of whether they got the expertise, you had to give those people managerial positions in your companies. And it’s not going to work.

Alexandra: Without the proper training and the proper background …

Louw: Without the qualifications and expertise, it will never work.

Alexandra: Ya, that’s a good point. So, go back a little bit. You were talking about Africa is the Cradle of Man or Humanity. Tell me a little bit about where that came from? Is that originally coined by Tellinger?

Louw: That Africa was the Cradle of Man? No. It was long before him and long before me and even before Prof. Raymond Dart who found the skull of Australopithecus Africanus, “Mrs Ples”. But since then they discovered more and more artefacts and also skeletons and so on in the lower parts of southern Africa.

Alexandra: So, when they discovered this, are there so many parts of Africa that are just not acceptable because of the internal tribal conflicts?

Louw: Ya, there are a lot of extremes going on in Africa, there is a census which                               caused the expertise to stay out. For a case in point, there was a situation that the farmers in all South Africa could have gone to the northern provinces of Mozambique and re-start the economy there by farming and creating jobs and so on. But before they could get their produce to European markets they had to re-build 100 km of railroad lines. The governments wouldn’t do it, the ones who wanted to start that project had to do it themselves. They said the cost factor of that project was too high, and it was true.

Alexandra: It still feels, Louw, what exactly are they trying to prevent this continent from discovering? What do you feel? This is the cradle of humanity, clearly since I’ve been here I’ve been blown away by some of the ruins, even the hieroglyphs and things like that, that I’ve seen. What is it that causes them so much to continue to keep on raping Africa, you know, you are talking about diamonds and copper and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               gold and things like that… what is it about this continent, this country?

Louw: The whole continent is very rich in minerals, there are some mineral I only read about, and I have never seen it. People have discovered it in various places in Africa. But I think at this stage the concentration of the Cabal is in Europe where they want to create the old Roman Empire again.

Alexandra: They are not succeeding.

Louw: Not at this stage, no. But I don’t think they will succeed because of the differences in nationalities and peoples.

Alexandra: Right. Well, and I think people are waking up to the governments and realizing that they are not good for the people.

Louw: That’s good and the nationalistic tendencies amongst the peoples of Europe is beginning to surface at a very fast rate. People adhering to people of their own kind and that is what is going on at this stage. But, take the gold mines in South Africa. Or the platinum mines, where the strikes were at its high point. The gold mines are going ever deeper and deeper and following the gold veins and becoming more and more expensive in cleaning it up or to exploit it. The same with the platinum. Who controls the prices of platinum and gold? Follow the money trail again.

Alexandra: Exactly.

Louw: Because my in my way of looking at economics, if a thing becomes scarce, the price of gold would go up. But with the strikes they had in the platinum mines in southern Africa, there was a shortage on the market for platinum – and yet the price came down. So who is manipulating the price?

Alexandra: Mm. And what do you think that’s reflecting?

Louw: It’s reflecting that the Cabal is interfering with local produce.

Alexandra: Correct. So that’s what you said. Now if my memory is correct, I remember reading an article about Afghanistan and what were the main things they were going in there for, it was not platinum but something else and it had to do with off-world sort of minerals. And I am wondering if that same thing applies to South Africa?

Louw: You mean Star Wars type of minerals?

Alexandra: Ya, ya.

Louw: It’s a possibility.

Alexandra: And I bet it would be here because the soil here just blows me away, it’s so rich, so red and your produce is so huge compared to what I see.

Louw: If you want to take over the country, what is the cheapest way?

Alexandra: You go in and you take…

Louw: No, you can’t. Water is expensive, water is very expensive. Buy the politicians, that’s my view.

Alexandra: Ya, ya.

Louw: If you can buy the politicians and put a banana republic in place, you can control the prices of the minerals and all the stuff that you want. It’s my way of looking at it.

Alexandra: Right, right. If you were to give me a synopsis of all the, you just said, 76 provinces in Africa …

Louw: No, it’s not provinces, it’s countries…

Alexandra: Countries, ok. Are there any in particular that are really in a bad place right now?

Louw: Bad situation? Liberia, it was created by America what Charles Taylor did to it, there is nothing going, yet is rich in gold, it’s rich in diamonds and it’s rich in minerals. And the Central Republic of the Congo, it’s also rich in copper and rich in gold, rich in other minerals.

Alexandra: So are they keeping these conflicts going, do you think, in order to still control those resources.

Louw: Not only control the resources but keeping it in reserve. If they can control the world prices on it and keep the other minerals in reserve, and when there is really a shortage, chuck them on the market at a bigger price. It goes back to the scenario of following the money trail.

Alexandra: Right. The Zimbabwean tour guide that went with us up to the Ruins, he mentioned that there are parts of Zimbabwe where all you have to do is go down a certain street and you see diamonds.

Louw: No. That is an exaggeration. It’s a similar exaggeration to Johannesburg, the City of Gold. There were rumours that the streets were lined with gold and all that… no, it’s just an exaggeration. But there are plenty of diamonds in Zimbabwe, that’s true.

Alexandra: And that they have placed military personnel with guns in these locations. So you can’t just walk into these areas and pick up diamonds.

Louw: It’s a very great possibility that this is so, because if you take Namibia, the old South-West Africa, the Sperrgebiet, it’s in German called the Sperrgebiet, it’s an area that is off-limits to the general public. There they mine diamonds not with dynamite, pick and shovel, but with vacuum cleaners!

Alexandra: Are you serious?

Louw: I am serious. It’s not like a vacuum cleaner you have in your home. They are big dredger boats which work on the same principle as a vacuum cleaner. They dredge the sand and stuff amongst the rocks in the surf, and they pick out and get the diamonds out of the sand.

Alexandra: That is amazing.

Louw: Not very many people know about that.

Alexandra: I know. That’s why I am interviewing you.

Louw: The other thing is there was this very rich town in the Sperrgebiet, in the cordoned off area, it’s called Kolmanskop, it’s a ghost town now. Even the steam engines that they used to produce electricity in the 1900s or 1901 up to 1910 I think, are still there but they are under sand. The desert claimed back its own.

Alexandra: Wow, that’s crazy. I was gonna ask you, going back to the gold mines, is it true – supposedly rumour has it – that the gold miners are starting to trike not only because of wage disputes but because it is getting so hot, they are having to go further and further into Mother Earth and they said the heat is outrageous.

Louw: It is.

Alexandra: And so I wondered what you thought about that?

Louw: My brother was a mine captain for gold mines and according to him, it’s terribly hot down there. And the deeper you go the less ventilation you have. You have to create artificial ventilation to keep the temperatures constant so that you can work on a productive rate. But as I said earlier also, due to the depths of the mines …

Alexandra: And how deep are they going?

Louw: 4 kms down already, it is 1 ½ miles.

Alexandra: Wow.

Louw: You can imagine if it is so deep what the cost will be to reclaim or get the gold out. It will go up to a stage where it is not financially viable anymore.

Alexandra: Well, have they sat down with those mines – because that has been the local discussion from some of the financial side.

Louw: Some of the shafts have been shut down, I haven’t got the names of the mines at my fingertips, but then again you get another scenario like Mandela’s grandson and Zuma’s grandson buying the one mine and just selling off all the valuable stuff and closing the mine down. 17 000 people were out of a job, just like that.

Alexandra: Well, so what is your perception on the Zimbabwe Ruins? As you know we just completed a mission up there – Chris, Sandy and myself – I was wondering whether you can give me a little bit of background on what you know of it.

Louw: I don’t know much about the Zimbabwean Ruins, only what I can deduce for my own basic knowledge, that the Zimbabwean Ruins was the base of Enki from the Anunnaki and that was built after the flood. That’s why they had to build it quickly and so it is not build with expertise of what the Star community …they would have better equipment and better knowledge to build a better place.

Alexandra: They are certainly not like the Pyramid of Giza. But still, it is pretty impressive.

Louw: It’s very impressive but if you go there, I’ve been there many years ago, you get the feeling on a psychic level – I don’t know whether it is because of the many people that died creating the mines around Zimbabwe Ruins –they used black miners and so on to crawl into the tunnels to exploit the mines. But then you can see the orbs a person can see and sometimes photograph and they appear on the photos, the energy of the diseased people. But it was one of the experimental stations of the Abzu by Enki and his sister Ninharsag, I think was her name, and they created a Lulu, a primitive worker, because the Anunnaki and the Lords of that time didn’t want to do any manual labour anymore. So they had to create a slave and man, at that stage, was created as a worker, a primitive worker.

Alexandra: Now you said something about how you were surprised that it being the base of Enki why didn’t he build something bigger, grander, better. Can you expand a bit on that?

Louw: I think before the floods Scripture and all the other information, Sumerians, Akkadians and others speak about, there must have been better facilities than that at the current Zimbabwean Ruins because to do medical experiments in creating the Mumu, I mean the Lulu, Mumu was the spaceship… If you take our bigger hospitals, training hospitals and the equipment available to them was to be in a secure environment and clean environment; you visited Zimbabwean Ruins yourself, if you look at the Ruins yourself where were the medical facilities? I can’t seem to remember anything there. Although it could have been removed, the same as the argument when I study some of the clay tablets of Sumer, people ask me if they were so far progressed where the computer paper is and so on. But after 6000 years where would paper be? It’s a stupid argument in my opinion. But it is definitely the Abzu that he speaks of, the lower portion of southern Africa was what they called the Abzu, the place down under.

Alexandra: I’m just thinking the great enclosure where we did the ceremonies was …you could count that there were separate rooms in the enclosure. The walls were very high but you kind of got the feeling that this was, they said that this was the headquarters of the Queen in particular and they said that the actual rituals and spiritual practices were done in the Hill Complex. And then they have the Shona village where they actually lived, you know, carried on their lives. But I don’t know if there was any kind of medical facility, I didn’t see anything like that. I did, however, discuss with Chris how interesting it was that we were led to the area where the conical towers were, and there were three of them in the enclosure.

Louw: Two of them were not as well preserved as the one. The one when you immediately enter the complex you see is the one that is best preserved. But that takes me to a place in Europe called Baalbek. If they had the expertise to lift and stack 1200 ton rocks – one block of rocks is 1200 tons – even today we haven’t got the engineering ability to move that rock, they could do it there. In the Abzu they should have had better appointed or designed medical centre.

Alexandra: I often question history overall because I wonder to myself, after watching a couple of different videos, have we not been misled even in that area where there are as many historical timelines that they were just – what should I say – kind of layered on one another….

Louw: On top of one another. Ya that is so.

Alexandra: with the same people being discussed, presented and being used as the educational basis for children etc. through each timeline.

Louw: Can be. Because if you take for argument sake the Sumerians, the Akkadians, the Chaldeans and those tribes and peoples of the peninsula in Jezebel Africa, what is now the Arabian peninsula, I think, if you take that into consideration, you find that one city was built on top of another and afterwards it formed a great big mount. When archaeologists come and start digging they uncover the first layer and say “ah, this is from the Sumerian time”, they carried on “ah, this is from the Akkadian time”, and then they go down until they reach a layer of sand. When they reach the layer of sand they queried, why would there be sand so deep? It was put down there by the flood.

Alexandra: Right. And why did they build on top again, again and again in that specific area?

Louw: They stay in that area because spiritually it drew them there. And secondly it formed a solid base and they used some of the rubble of the previous building as material to build a new city on, a new system. To take a point in question also of South African history, the great trek, the big trek before the Anglo Boer War, after the suppression of the Boers in British times in the Cape Province and the surrounding area, if you take Louis Trichardt, see the mountains to the north of us where we are now, there are 90 degree cliffs and so on, the Boers moved across those cliffs. It is nonsense, they didn’t. They were, maybe, illiterate but they weren’t stupid. They trekked around the mountain, the treks are still here today around the mountain past the salt pans. These are just fancy stories that they trekked over a cliff and lowered the wagons with ropes and all that. That is nonsense, they sent out scouts four, five, six weeks ahead to find the best route. I think it would have been the same with the trek from East to West; and when they hit the Rockies, they found passes to go through, they didn’t just go over the Rockies.

Alexandra: And even then, lots of lives lost. Now, is there anything else that you can share with us …you know a lot of people look to Africa and perceive it as this very…you know, the spiritual practices of the various tribes and the fact that there is such a rootedness to Mother Earth, it’s almost like a kind of hope that Africa can come alive and show the rest of the world. I’m just wondering, you say it’s the cradle of humanity.

Louw: To take it as a general idea, the whole of the population of Africa tend to be followers and not leaders. If you take one of their Shamans and Holy Men and so on, Credo Mutwa is his name …

Alexandra: I was going to bring him up.

Louw: ….he said in an interview that in the history of his people – he speaks for the Zulu -, I don’t know whether you have seen the film made out of it called “Shaka Zulu”, where he cleaned out the sub-continent as there was nobody left when the Dutch people landed in the Cape Province in 1652. There were no other tribes except of a handful of Khoi people. The nearest black people that they found was in Zululand and then near in Venda. The rest of the sub-continent was clean. They found mounds of bones of people having been killed. So Shaka Zulu cleaned out the whole country and in any case, to bring us back to the scenario of them not being leaders. You get the exceptional ones that are exceptionally bright but the majority of the populace of South Africa tends to be followers and not leaders. If you take the history of Europe over the last two or three thousand years. You take all the things that have been developed by the Caucasian people, big buildings, big discoveries, and weaving bobbins, sewing machines and all that, and yet in Africa they had below Ethiopia all the way down they had that country for the same period, they could not even invent a wheel. They cut down a tree and used the tree fork as a sledge, hooked it behind some of their cattle and moved their stuff on the sledge.

Alexandra: It just feels so deliberate.

Louw: It feels like it but the main thing is, people tend to ascribe higher ideologies for various peoples. If you take the comic films that are produced in Hollywood, what do they project as the King of the animals? A Lion. It’s not. The Hippo is the King of the animals.

Alexandra: A Hippopotamus.

Louw: Go to Scripture, go to the Sumerian Tablets, it’s stated there. You, Hippo, you are the King of the beasts. And the same as these comics ascribe human ideas and mannerisms to animals.

Alexandra: Archetypes.

Louw: But it’s not so. I think of one film that’s so popular…

Alexandra: The film I always think of is Tarzan.

Louw: No, the Lion King. If you take that film in perspective, they ascribe human mannerisms to all the animals and yet the animals are, as a rule, instinctive. They kill a cow to eat the cow. They don’t go and kill ten or twenty cows for future use. That is why if cooperation can be done between the Caucasian people and the Negroid people, they can organize cooperation between the masses and it could be a wonderful country. It can be the world leader and it can be the bread basket of the world in future.

Alexandra: It’s like the diamond in the rough.

Louw: That’s correct.

Alexandra: It’s such a gorgeous country. I’ve really enjoyed it.

Louw: They’ve been neglected in training. So to bring them up to standard will take several years, several generations I would think. But to get back to Credo Mutwa. He said the people who ruled southern Africa were tall, blue eyed, white haired men. Who they were? Anunnaki? I don’t know. But it’s not out of my mouth, it’s from Credo Mutwa, one of their Witch Doctors. He wrote a scenario about that and it’s in black and white that he said it.

Alexandra: Very interesting. Well, we are coming to the end of the interview and I just wanted to thank you for your time and your wisdom and your willingness to share your perspective of such a lovely country. I am honoured to be here, to be with Sandy and Chris and just being able to experience this like where I am really in your home, I am listening to your conversations, I am not just on a tour bus driving by and taking a picture kind of thing. It’s really been an enlightening experience for me. So with that said I would ask you to just maybe finalize what you feel is the most important thing for anybody listening to this interview as far as where do you go from here?

Louw: Alexandra, thank you. You were a very, very good interviewer leading me into some situations that I really didn’t want to answer. But getting to the final say in this interview is, we have to rely on our expertise, our good willingness, our cooperation between nations and then, I would think, the Pleiadeans are very pro-human – I won’t mention the other three, they tend to draw energy when you mention them, I think you know who I am speaking of – but with that and the sincerity and loving perspective of the general populace we can succeed.

Alexandra: Yes and I do feel we are. Every little bit that each of us can contribute makes all the difference.

Louw: I think so. And the other thing is, the more and more peoples’ eyes are opened, even their central third eye that they can see into situations and be on the lookout for situations where they can benefit as brethren we are better off.

Alexandra: How beautifully stated, thank you for that. I wish I could interview you for hours because I thoroughly enjoyed this and I always enjoy meeting up with you anyway. But we will take this further, possibly next week, and maybe have another interview about more regarding South Africa. So anyone that’s interesting in hearing about Sandy and Chris’ and my mission, please feel free to check the BBS Radio tab on our site and there is a whole flow of interviews there, the one regarding the Zimbabwean Ruins Sandy has done, she just finished adding a lot of picture we had taken. So please feel free to check out that and I just want to thank my audience as always you are awesome, I love you all and stay tuned and we will talk to you again next week same time, same place, same channel. Take care, thanks and bye.

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