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microphone (1)Michael Tellinger, Louise Clarke, Alexandra Meadors, November 25, 2014 – Part Two

Alexandra: Hi everyone. Thank you for staying with us. This is Part 2 of our interview with Michael Tellinger and lovely Louise Clarke. And they are here today to not only review the Ubuntu Movement but also some other poignant questions that have come up while as I was reviewing his other book. I’m not sure if everyone has seen this – Temples of the African Gods – a great book. It’s really good. So before even we jump into all of that, did you want to tie up in the research that you have done, because Louise was mentioning that you’ve got to talk about the research that you have been doing on the stone circles.

Michael: Yeah.

Alexandra: There’s some new stuff that you have found out about.

Michael: I just also want to mention that Slave Species of gods has been re-published by Bear & Co. in Vermont, and it’s now a new title and is now called Slave Species of the Gods. So it’s the same book. It’s been edited and fixed-up and there’s a really nice, jazzy cover.

A: So it’s just the cover that’s changed?

M: Yeah. The content is pretty much the same. It’s just some editing that they did.

A: Okay.

M: And Temples of the African Gods has a new version with more information and it’s called African Temples of the Annunaki, and it’s a superb book, because, I mean this book [Temples of the African Gods] is pretty much out-of-print now. So you can get them as E-books, but as a physical form – I think this book now is a collector’s item, Temples of the African Gods.

A: The other thing about this book that is important is all of the pictures.

M: Yeah.

A: I mean, it’s really awesome to see the cymatic effect on the ground of each of the stone circles. Because when you look at that you can really see that they’re playing different tones like we were talking about before. Well, the other thing that I wanted to ask you was, you were talking about Adam’s Calendar and you mentioned that you had noticed that a lot of the ancient sites had been built on the Golden Mean spiral.

M: Yeah, well,

A: Which other sites – because you don’t really go into detail – I was just curious.

M: Well, they’re not built on the Golden Mean spiral. It’s just that they were all built with sacred geometric principles. (Okay) And they all seem to be on this Earth grid that the researchers know about. The Earth grid that is – there are different grids that cover the Earth – energetic grids – some made up of pentagons, some made up of hexagons, some made of dodecahedrons, so it’s a combination and a variety of these grids that cover the Earth. And that very distinct cross-over points, these nodes, these very highly energetic nodes and many of the ancient sites are built either along the connecting lines or on those very powerful energetic nodes. And that is important to know. So the ancient culture/civilizations that built these sites, built them there for specific reasons because they are very strong energetic points.

A: But also, if you were to map it out, you could do this spiral, you could draw the spiral and actually find them –

M: The spiral is at Adam’s Calendar. The reason that I bring that up is because you will probably find very distinct things, if you draw the Golden Mean spiral from any ancient site and maneuver it around you’re going to find things connected to that which you previously didn’t notice before. That’s exactly what I did with Adam’s Calendar. When we realized that there were pyramids in the valley aligned with Adam’s Calendar and the pyramids are aligned with the rise of Orion’s Belt, I was astounded because they look like pyramids from the mountain. Unfortunately, when we were there it was all misted-in so we couldn’t see the valley. But on a clear day, it is like an obvious eye-sore, or an obvious beacon sticking out in middle of this huge Barberton Valley. And wherever you go along the Adam’s Calendar escarpment they are right there. They are like the main connecting point. And it is actually the pyramids that are aligned with the Great Zimbabwe and the Great Pyramid in Giza. And I realized that they had to be connected. When you get closer to them they still look very strange. They also emit weird energies, you lose GPS there, as you lose GPS at Adam’s Calendar –

A: Is the configuration the same as that that’s in Egypt?

M: Yes, it seems to be. There are two large ones and a third small one. However, the Egyptian pyramids are not all that we think they are. Because there used to be a fourth pyramid in Giza and very few people are aware of that. And that’s a mystery that just unfolded a few years ago. No one ever talks about the fourth pyramid at Giza.

A: And where did it go?

M: Exactly. Where did it disappear to? So just because there are two large ones and a small one, that could be the exception there. What I’m trying to say is that close by they don’t look like pyramids, they’re not built on blocks, they’re these pyramid-shaped structures covered with soil, trees growing on them, rocks sticking out, but very much in a pyramidal form in the middle of nowhere. They are not part of the mountain range, okay. So from a geological perspective, if you check on Google Earth even, you can see that they are just off-set of the mountain ranges that – they’re like frozen rock – it’s like from the impact because the Barberton Valley is an ancient impact crater from probably a meteor strike billions of years ago, billions, about 3.2 billions years ago. (Wow)

So the rocks – you start from the center impact point – you see small ridges of little mountains – it’s like waves on a pebble, when you drop a pebble – they move away from the center. And the ones closest to the center are the smallest and they get bigger, bigger, bigger and eventually they get to the outer rim and that’s where the big mountains are. But these two pyramids are not like any of those rings of mountains that move away, hills that become mountains. So that’s really an anomaly.

A: We have noticed countless pyramids as we have been driving around here. In Botswana, in Zimbabwe, around South Africa. (Yeah) I was floored by how many pyramids. Sandi is constantly pointing them out to me.

M: And then when I drew the Golden Mean spiral between Adam’s Calendar and the Stone Altar, and I extended it, and it lands right between the pyramids. So you have to ask yourself what is the statistical probability that this is an accident? Or that it’s consciously done? And the answers to that are that several million or several billion to one that they are accidental chance that it happened. So they must be connected.

A: So you are in agreement that’s it’s some sort of energy creation device?

M: Yes, absolutely. A: Okay.

M: There’s not doubt. We measured it. It’s not a theory. It is a scientific fact.

A: Now is there any connection between that and the actual Enki’s Temple where basically the Lulu was created?

M: Oh, I thought you meant about that. Well, they’re connected to the Golden Mean spiral and that’s a flow of energy. A: Okay.

M: So they must be energetically connected because energy flows in that spiral. 8:02

A: Very interesting. Thank you for that clarification. So you have also said that there were very large communities of stone circles. You couldn’t believe it, it just kept growing. You know, you were looking on the google maps. What’s the largest ones that you found?

M: The one here, right where we are. A: Wow!

M: We are right in the middle of it.

A: We are sitting in it.

M: Yeah. Waterval Boven, Machadodorp, 100 kilometers that way to Nelspruit, 60 kilometers that way to Badplass, and that way to Lydenburg, 70-80 kilometers to Lydenburg. I mean we are talking a diameter of, I used to say 100 kilometer diameter but it’s a 100 kilometer radius. So a 200 kilometer diameter, so more than 100 mile diameter, so just that alone, if you take away all the development, the towns, the forestry, the farming that destroyed much of it and you can still see it on Google Earth where’s it’s been destroyed where you’ve got circles and then suddenly they stopped abruptly because there’s been farming land or forestry so you know that that carried on there. And sometimes the circles are literally cut in half by a road. The road goes in and they put the bulldozer through it and a half circle is right next to the road and you can see where the road goes through where there once was a circle.

A: It’s such a shame.

M: In Lydenberg, if you look a Google Earth, the last images that I captured from Google Earth, it was all the new towns, suburbs of them developing exactly the same thing is happening. They come in and flatten everything and put in the streets, they laid them out and put in the lampposts and then they come to build the buildings. And when you look at these new suburbs that they are creating you see the stone circles, half stone circle at little bit hidden, where they’ve laid out the streets and the stone circles are right amongst the streets.

A: It’s amazing. And can you also clarify for the audience the connection between these stone ruins and the British colonization in South Africa.

M: Oh well, well first you have to define who the British ruling monarchy is.

A: Okay, how do you define the British monarchy?

M: It’s a bottomless pit. How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?

A: That’s true.

M: Exactly. So let’s keep it short and tidy. We talk about ancient civilizations here. It was predominantly about the gold. There’s cannot be a question about it. There are hundreds of thousands of gold mines that have been found. Okay. So it’s about the gold. (Right) If anybody still has any questions about what they were doing, it’s about the gold. And then mysteriously, in 1898, when the South African so-called Anglo-Boer War was launched by the British Empire against the Boer Republics, and the people that wanted to be free in southern Africa, yeah, there was a very sinister plot behind it and it was, obviously, about the gold. But what people don’t realize is what gold are we talking about here?

Because at that stage the goldmines in South Africa – there were just a few goldmines. The gold in Gauteng had just been discovered maybe ten years prior that that. And so, you’d say, well, there’s just a little bit of gold, tiny little goldmines. And yet the British launched the most expensive war that they ever fought in the British Empire’s history against 60,000 farmers on horseback from two rebel Boer Republics – Boer means ‘farmer’, okay, with a bunch of maybe about 60-80 thousand African tribal fighters, and some of them fought on the side of the Boers and some of them fought on the side of the British and suddenly you’ve Winston Churchill involved in this war, you’ve got Mahatma Gandhi involved in this war as a young stretcher-bearer –

A: That was really strange.

M: And Paul Kruger involved in this war. One of the presidents of the two Boer Republics. There was President Steyn and President Paul Kruger. And the British Empire sent 470,000 troops to South Africa in 1998. Now put this in perspective. The total number of American and British and Canadian Royal troops in the Gulf War was about 250,000. A: Wow!

M: 470,000 British troops on ships, horses, hospitals, food, supply systems that feeds this machine, the weaponry, the cannons – something much bigger was going on than people realize. And that bigger thing that was going on is that Paul Kruger suddenly became the most dangerous man on the world. And Paul Kruger to the British Empire, because he became immensely wealthy. And why did he become wealthy? Because he found something that only the British Empire, the royal political elite, that had the knowledge of thousands and thousands of years knew about. He found secret tunnels filled with gold. And they were not human tunnels.

A: Where? Where exactly?

M: Well, right here.

A: Okay. So it was right at this area.

M: So there is a story that on June 4th, 1902, I think it was, a train left Pretoria that was filled with gold. And it was headed for Mozambique for the port of Maputo, then Lourenço Marques, at that station at Mozambique that was filled with gold. That train went missing. Now it wasn’t just one carriage of gold which is a major feat because that is a lot of gold. And there were several carriages filled with gold that left Pretoria that never made it to Mozambique. That train vanished in Machadodorp, the town just before Waterval-Boven. Remember that Waterval-Boven was Paul Kruger’s town. A: Oohh.

M: And Waterval-Onder is Paul Kruger’s town, that’s where his little house is. When he manipulated or controlled the war against the British troops. So there’s a much bigger story to it here than people have ever realized. And we are right in the heart of it. Ancient gold meets modern knowledge, the greed of the British Empire, when they realized that Paul Kruger had found the ancient tunnels filled with gold they had to close and shut this down at all costs, to get rid of these rebels that suddenly had this wealth.

A: That’s incredible. And I was talking with Chris and Sandi the other day about how amazed I was when they were talking about this history of South Africa. I said, hold on a minute here, this sounds like the United States. M: Yeah.

A: And then we started comparing South Africa and Australia, and I said, well, we had covered wagons, (Yeah) well we had atrocities when they were traveling out to the West, you guys had it to the North, well, we had the fighting amongst the people, you know, and the gold rush, all of those people rushing there and then getting there and starving because there really wasn’t any gold for them to find.

M: And you can’t eat the gold.

A: Right. Isn’t that interesting? That on three different continents and we all had almost the identical history. So people need to check that out.

A: Now, okay. So the other question that I wanted to ask you is about the agricultural terraces. And I did a little digging on the dolerite and it says, it’s formed when magma cools and solidifies in igneous rock but one of the things that they talked about is it’s incredible ability to hold water.

M: Yeah, but also, remember that it is just another form of granite. It’s a kind of granite, and granite is rich of quartzite. Hornfels stone plus dolerite are metamorphosed quartzite. So it’s all about the crystal. It all about the various forms crystalline substance.

A: But I thought that you said that this particular rock has the sound qualities that none other do.

M: Yeah. Well, there are other rocks around the world that will have those sound qualities but these ones just happen to be here. There are ringing rocks everywhere around the world and I suspect they were used for the same reasons around the world. But here, I made the breakthrough of the connection here, yes, and kept collecting these sort of elongated stones that look like French loaves of bread and when you hold them up and you hit them they ring like bells. Many people have seen that. And that made me realize that we are dealing with sound, with acoustic properties. And then I recognized the cymatic patterns in the stone circles and I started thinking, oh my goodness, it all has to do with sound. And then we have a lot of other evidence which we really don’t have the time to get into here because that in itself becomes a two-hour discussion. About how can I know, how can I be so sure, well, there are lots of reasons why I can be so sure, that this is a cymatic pattern that comes from the ground.

A: And you’ve done an outstanding job in those two books alone on documenting all of that data. So if you want to check out more information, don’t forget, that’s he’s got the Temples of the African Gods –

M: Temples of the African Gods, and also the new version of that which is African Temples of the Annunaki. It’s in a different cover.

A: And the other one is the Slave Species of the Gods.

M: Slave Species of the Gods.

A: So check them out. He’s done a lot of work. Okay. Another big mystery. Tell me, have you found why everything points to Orion. Serious people have talked about it, but with regarding to the pyramids and the constellation alignments, what is your theory on that?

M: There are too many conflicting theories.

A: I know! It’s very confusing.

M: But I thought we were going to talk about Ubuntu and Contributionism.

A: We are. We are. And she has one burning question in her heart. She is talking about Credo Mutwa, and he was talking about the Nilotic Meridian and that’s supposedly at the 31.04 degrees longitude. But that should be the actual zero meridian.

M: It was that. L: Credo Mutwa said that.

A: Do you agree with that?

M: It was that. A: It was that. Okay.

M: And again, it’s part of the deception. And everything’s been shifted. Everything’s been moved. So if you keep the Nilotic Meridian as the Greenwich Mean Time, to explain that to people, everything changes. The whole energy of the planet changes.

A: So if you take the 31 and turn that into zero then everything else has to be adjusted.

M: There’s some very interesting research around vortex fields and that – I think it is Kozyrev, a Russian scientist, I think it was him, forgive me for having a lapse of memory there, but he was one of the first people that started talking about the distortion of the gravitic field around vortexes and vortices and he found that they jumped like in quanta in groups of 31. So 31 becomes a very important number in a lot of numerology, and mathematics and science and physics. It’s fascinating that it was 31 degrees East according to how we look at it now, right? (Right) So when they shifted it, it shifted it 31 degrees away from where it originally was. So remember, there’s a reason why they did that. Again, they do nothing by chance. Everything is always done for a very deep understanding of the laws of nature.

A: That reminds me that I need to double-check some of the work that we’ve done since we’ve been here. Because everything was based on that one longitude. Anyway, okay. Ubuntu! Michael’s life. Finally. Back to where we left off which was, where did you begin? You said it was just one of those organic, unfolding daily things, right? So what was the first step?

M: The first thing was that we created what we call the Ubuntu Liberation Movement and started writing the philosophy on pieces of paper and on the website. And we put it up there.

A: Can you give us some generalizations.

M: Well, reminding people that the country belongs to it’s people, and not to the government. And that banks are private corporations and they do not work for the highest interest of the people or to better the people. They are there to exploit the people. And really started the process of information and education of the people in the country and specifically focusing on South African at that point. And then moving toward explaining how you don’t need money in society. That money is a trap. And that’s what I learned from studying all of this ancient stuff – that there was a time that money did not exist. Yet people had existed for thousands of years without money and then suddenly you see this appearance of money and these first priest kings that suddenly started creating money out of thin air and making all the people their subjects over whom they suddenly took control. They became kings over people – where did that come from? Who appointed them king?

And you realize that the king was unloaded onto Earth from the heaven. The gods appointed the first kings and the priest-kings on planet Earth and what do these priest-kings do? They created money as a tool of enslavement. So there’s a very simple line of evolution of where money comes from. And a lot of people still believe erroneously what we are told in school that money is just part and parcel of thousands of years of barter and trade and eventually somebody turned it into the form of money. No. That’s a lie. So it’s always been a tool of deception and a tool of enslavement. Maliciously introduced as a tool of enslavement.

So then we started putting out this information that we don’t need money, we need people. People do everything. Money does nothing. In fact, money becomes the hurdle and the obstruction to progress of people. And that started to resonate with people. And then Kerry Cassidy came out here in 2009 and interviewed me and then said to me, I should start a political party. And I looked at her and I said, You’ve got to be kidding. Well, a year later we did. I realized that because what we were saying was so radical that we need to get rid of money, that we should shut down the Reserve Bank. Well, in some countries, including South Africa, that could be seen as treason.

A: Oh yeah.

M: Because you are undermining the economic stability of the corporation called Republic of South Africa. And you see, they write the laws because the corporations, and again, you have to educate people that the Republic of South Africa is not a country, it’s a corporation. South Africa is a country. It’s the land mass that’s called South Africa, but the Republic of South Africa is the corporation that’s taking control of the land that is called – the land mass – called South Africa.

A: It’s just like the United States of America.

M: Exactly. So it’s the same all over. So once we started sharing that I realized that, let’s make a political party and then we can make these claims and then it becomes our political manifesto. So this is what we are going to do for the people. And then if this is what we are proposing as a political party than we can’t go to jail for that because that’s our manifesto. Because you believe in freedom of speech. (Good job) Right. So that’s really our protection for this. And that’s what we went into with the elections in 2014, on the 7th of May. We took this whole Ubuntu Contributionism philosophy into the South African elections and promised to close down the Reserve Bank and create a people’s bank as an intermediate step. Because we ultimately are moving towards a world without money. But you can’t just yank the money out of the system because that would just create total chaos.

A: And the programming with money is is so deep.

M: Totally. And some people get it and for some it will take awhile. But the whole philosophy of Contributionism again, for people, that are new to this is moving away from the use of money, and the need of money. And how do we get there? To get from here to there? Unfortunately, there are some steps that we have to take. And I know that Louise finds this frustrating – she’s a far more evolved conscious being than I am and she just wants to go straight to the top. And I keep having to remind her that you can go to the top, and you can probably take a lot of very conscious people with you, but you’ll leave a lot of frustrated people behind. So let the lower conscious people, like me, to the hand, and I’ll talk to them. I’ll talk them through it.

A: Oh Michael, you are just too much. Tell us what happened with the elections. I really wanted to give you some air time on that.

M: Well, it was actually spectacular. We went with in with about a million followers.

A: Fantastic.

M: It was just unbelievable. The response we had, and the following that we had, was beyond our wildest imagination. I didn’t do a lot of TV interviews, or radio interviews, because we are a tiny party and the big parties get all of the media exposure. Yet it’s supposed to be free and fair elections and the national broadcasters are supposed to cover all of the parties equally. Really?

A: It didn’t happen to you, right?

M: No, no. So anyway, from the various radio interviews that did – this still blows my mind today is – I had 100%, not 99.9, but 100% support from all the callers to the radio staions, to all the radio interviews that I did. That completely blew my mind.

A: Especially because that would have been an opportune time to diss you.

M: Yeah. And it was so bad, the response was so positive, that the interviewer, the regular host was, ‘well, everybody seems to like what you have to say,’ but then herself – in one instance, and in the other I can’t remember if it was male or a female at the other interview – because I did two major interviews. One was for an hour and the other one was for a half an hour and that was pretty much it. Yeah. In the one, she was trying to come up with – ‘What are you going to do about – I’ve got an email from somebody that said that they emailed you in support but you didn’t respond to them and tell them how to join the Ubuntu Movement. So how do you expect to run a country if you can’t even answer an email.’ That was the best she could do. So I said, hold on a minute. There’s a big difference between a small, little organization who is overwhelmed by support to even be able to respond to the emails than to running a country when you have all the funds and support at your disposal. So don’t confuse the issue here.

A: A perfect response.

M: So that blew our minds. But when it came to the election what was totally overwhelming was that from a million followers, and I had to raise a lot of money, about the equivalent of about a million dollars in South Africa, a million rand, that we had to raise, that we spent, to run and to have any kind of face on the lamp posts somewhere. We received 8,234 votes. So what that taught us is that the elections are far from free and fair and they are completely and absolutely corrupt and the outcome is totally pre-determined just like in the USA and they just really put on this dog and pony show for people to feel that, oh, look, I’ve put my cross on [the ballot].

L: And also simply arrogant, because somebody – one of the vote counters for the ANC
came to us and said, two days before they started counting the votes, if you do more than eight and a half thousand votes I’ll take you to dinner.

A: Woh.

L: So really, so when we got 8,200 something votes we were really –

M: How did you know that? A: Exactly. L: I know.

M: But what really that made us realize that something strange was going on, we were told by an observer that the International vote count, the people outside of South Africa that voted, she turned around and went – she looked at the screen and the results coming in and all the political parties had their tables and in front of us, I forgot which party, it was one of the smaller parties, which did get into Parliament, by the way, they got enough votes – but one of the ladies turned around and said to me, ‘Ubuntu, I was surprised because I was an observer at the International vote count and Ubuntu got the largest number of votes from the International voters.’

A: Woh!

M: And I said, are you sure? And she said, yeah. Ubuntu was the big surprise. They got the largest number of votes. More than the ANC, more than anyone. 18,000 International votes were cast. So we were expecting, wow, if we got the largest number, we figured that we should get something like 30% of the votes or 40% of the votes. Out of 18,000 votes. Guess how many votes do you think they allocated us for the International votes?

A: Omg, I can’t guess.

M: Take a guess. Just take a guess.

A: Out of 18,000? 300.

M: 28.

A: Oh come on!

M: Yes. They allocated 28 International votes to us out of 18,000 and we got the largest number of votes.

A: That’s amazing.

M: So you realize how crooked and corrupted it is.

A: And I know that this was hard because you truly are a pioneer. You are paving the way for a lot of others to follow, okay. Because I know that this is the kind of stuff we are starting to be running into more and more as we help to dismantle the matrix. You know what I mean? But does this dissuade you to do this again?

M: Of course not.

A: Okay. This is what I love about you.

M: It was just an invaluable experience. And a deepening understanding of how the system works. We are so much wiser and smarter. So why do you think we are focusing on this small town, like Waterval Boven, doing community projects? We’re launching all of these Ubuntu community projects. We’ve just launched 23 community projects. From uplifting and upgrading all the sporting facilities, the community hall, a food kitchen for the homeless, the orphans, and the aged, a community gym, re-establishing the abandoned and destroyed food gardens, the fish pond, (L: the re-cycling) the re-cycling, the important feeding the homeless and the hungry, and getting them on our side, and making them realize that we together can make a huge difference. And I told you earlier, how I’m astounded at how people have gathered around us and supported us in larger numbers everyday. If I walk through town now, and I drive into the township, people stop and wave and say, ‘Hey, Ubuntu!’ And two years ago I thought it would be completely impossible. So two years from now, we have local elections.

A: And you will be running again.

M: We will be running again. In this little town. As we keep doing these community projects and then extend them onto the neighboring town. There’s a very good chance that we can win the majority outright vote here. Which will make me the mayor.

A: That would be awesome!

M: And guess what we will then do? We’ll implement the Contributionism philosophy with all of the funding that comes in! Into this town. Slam dunk. Home run. That’s it. That’s the tipping point. Because then nothing can stop us.

A: I think 2016 is a really big time. Because I really truly believe that 2015 is the Renaissance. (Yes) The real true soaring of the Renaissance next year.

M: That is interesting actually. Because I think it is people like Ashayana Deane and others are saying that 2017 is the big year of change. So if we get into the election of 2016 then and really assert ourselves on the local – and I’ve been saying this for how long now. Everytime I go to give a talk about Contributionism – forget about winning the national elections. That is not really important. (Right) You’ve got to win one little small one-horse town. That’s where it begins. Because once you can convert and unite that community, all the surrounding communities will go the same way. (Sure) It’s impossible for them to exist within a capitalistic model. They will collapse. They will have to start approaching and applying the Contributionism philosophy which benefits everyone. Because Contributionism consumes capitalism wherever it finds it.

A: Yeah, like it collapses the whole belief system, doesn’t it. So what is your next step. I mean, where are you now in your personal life as far as how involved are you with the Ubuntu Movement here. Tell me a little bit – what is your daily life like?

M: I’ll let Louise talk about that.

A: Common on, Louise.

L: It’s a full time, total love affair. Michael and I start early in the morning. He’s now driving the community projects. So he gets up and does that (?) and activating the projects so the coordinators can come. I come in and work with the volunteers here, the kitchen, the restaurant, setting up the education, and all of that. Yeah.

A: You guys are incredible. I want to seriously, honor you guys, because I know how much work this is.

L: Thank you.

A: And you deserve it. Any acclaims that you get.

M: Thank you.

A: And I honor the fact that that you haven’t given up. Because I know that you have been in a lot of intrusion. I don’t know if you want to talk about that but –

M: Yeah. I don’t want to delve into the dark or negative side. We were expecting it. I was expecting it. And I knew that the higher you go up the ladder, the more work that you do, the more lightwork that you do, for the better of humanity, you’re going to get the detractors and the dark energies, and the opposing forces that want to bring you down. So it’s inevitable and it’s expected. I feel sadness for them. I feel a deep sadness for them that they don’t have anything better to do.

A: Well, I think the sadness is really more about the lack of empowerment within themselves. (Yeah) That they cannot see beyond you and me and the many, many others that are high profile that have been targeted and they can’t see through to our hearts. To see how much we love them, and we would do anything to bring this planet to peace. We’ve proven it over and over, so some sort of statement that someone says that it’s going to take hold of that and is going to erase the work that we have done. Come on folks. Seriously.

M: What I’d just like to come back to, if I can, Alexandra, is just the integration of the community projects and what do we want to achieve. Because I think that a lot of people are still not quite understanding that. And a lot of people thinking we are building a self-sustaining community. And I need to tell you right front up that we are not creating a self-sustaining community. We are not buying a piece of land and starting to plant vegetables for ourselves. That, I believe, is the trap that many people fall into.

And I have been trying to explain to people that you don’t have to start with scratch. Small towns and villages have all the infrastructure. You don’t need to start anything. You have everything there. All you have to do is shift the people’s mind set and make them think slightly differently and start working together in cooperation as opposed to competition. So that’s the huge thing. Don’t try to run away from the establishment. Use your town and the community that you have. You already have a community. If your community is divided, unite the community. Use that infrastructure and you’re light years ahead of starting from planting vegetables in some empty piece of land somewhere. (Right) So don’t do that. That’s the wrong way to go about it, very frankly.

A: Well, the tools are already there.

M: Exactly. So right now this is the plan of action. So that people really get a sense of what is Contributionism. We are building, we are converting this impoverished community with 70 to 80% unemployment, (Wow) orphans, young HIV mothers with HIV children, lots of homeless and unemployed people who have no money, no food, nothing. So taking that and turning that into a community of abundance. So how do we do this? And the community projects are the key. So we’ve identified the key and necessary community projects, there are about 23 of them, and it starts with, as Louise said, with re-cycling the garbage dump. Making sure that we re-cycle everything. And go and take it to the guys that pay you some money for it. Okay. Or we can’t go from zero to hero. We have to use money until we free ourselves from the use of money. A: Sure.

So we re-cycle everything. The money that we make from that we pay the people that are re-cycling it a little bit so they can survive. They still need money to buy the odd things but 50% of it then goes to buy food for the community kitchen. The community kitchen that feeds the homeless, the orphans, and so forth, and everyone who participates in the community projects. That’s the key thing. You don’t just hand out food. You have to go and work in one of the community projects for three hours and then come and receive your plate of food and a nice big glass of homemade lemonade without aspartame.

A: And that’s really important because it gives them some fulfillment and value.

M: They wake up in the morning. They know that they are going to this, or bake bread, or work in the dairy, or go to the re-cycling. So they could do something everyday.

L: And they are learning new skills all the time. They have a sense of community, they have people to talk to, they sit and eat together, it’s a different way of living.

M: And it gets bigger. Now the Community Hall that we renovated, the vandalized Community Hall as I mentioned, was completely vandalized, that we renovated and very soon we will have electricity running in it, and flowing water, which we have, but we have more that needs to be done, to fix the toilets, and the basins, before we can open up. That’s where the Community Kitchen is going to be. Right next to the Community Hall. So at 4:00 o’clock in the afternoon everybody who’s working on one of the community projects brings their ticket, gets their plate of food, they can watch a documentary for free in the Hall and at 7:00 o’clock we screen a movie which they can also watch for free because they have participated in one of the community projects.

The people who don’t want to work on the community projects can pay 5 rand to watch a movie or 25 rand to get a meal and a movie. So the people who are lazy or aren’t participating (L: or are working) are actually funding the people who are participating in the community projects.

Now, the sportsmen, the soccer players, the cricket players, the rugby players, the netball, basketball, volleyball, and so forth, those people, because we are fixing the fields and are making money available for them to be able to play, they will be working in the community projects fixing up the fields that they play on, and the courts. So they will lead by example. But as you can see, this is a huge – everything is integrated. Everything feeds into everything else. So we need basically, project managers, and experts, in every community project.

For the little children, for example, right next to us, as you know here, we have a huge open field. So the cricket field and the athletics track that has been vandalized. People drive their cars there and squeal their tires. So we have to close it off, and turn this into the Little League Soccer, and the Little League Rugby, and the Little League Cricket. Right next door to us. So we need coaches of Rugby, Soccer, and Cricket.

And right next to it is a huge concrete slab that will be the seeding factory. Where the children can come in the afternoon, they watch a half-hour documentary on whales or stars or something, educational stuff, then they come and plant some seeds – we teach them how to grow some seeds for an hour. And then they look after their seedlings from the day before, and nuture and then write their name on the little jar that they had planted so it becomes an attraction to people that want to help fund these projects. You can buy a seeding from one of the children. So we are working with the orphans and the primary school children up to age 13. So from age 5 to 13. Then when they are finished planting seeds for an hour they play in the Little League. After which they get a little ticket and the go to the hall and get their food and then they go home with their stomachs full. So it’s that simple. Everything is integrated.

So I get very upset when people arrive here and say, well, we want to do some community projects and they start doing something that doesn’t integrate into this. And then basically, they are dividing the efforts. And they really don’t realize what we are doing here. So I just want to be very clear with people around the world that want to do this. You can’t give a bunch of people independently of each other doing community projects. That’s a failure. It’s going to fail. It’s not going to succeed. Because as you know, sooner or later, it becomes just another drudgery. If it’s not integrated, it’s not going to work.

A: That makes a lot of sense too because reprocity is such a core ingredient.

M: Yes.

A: So one trade, so to speak, must advance to the next and the next and the next. It’s really like a cell. It’s all integrated and working together for the ultimate goal.

M: So the other thing is, that now we’ve got these kids planting these seeds, when they’re about a month or so, because things grow quickly, and we will have nice little trees and things, and then the kids are going to go and plant them in the town along the paths, on the roads, and the parks. And beautify the city. And they become the protectors and the custodians of these fruit trees and nut trees and trees and vegetable gardens that produce future food and prosperity for the community. And then the kids will protect them against the vandalist adults that have not yet built that conciousness up. So from the earliest age we are teaching the children the love of Mother Earth, and understanding how things grow, and putting them to implementing that.

A: That’s fantastic. And the connection with the Earth. We’ve so lost that connection and the children have too.

L: The connection and also how to grow food and medicine at home and what they are used for. We need to bring that back, that knowledge.

A: Being more self-reliable. L: Absolutely.

M: So, Louise mentioned the key word here. Food and medicine. For me coming from a pharmaceutical background, one of my passions here is to build this, if we clean this up, tiling this up, just from here [indicates the room] becomes a little pharmaceutical production place, a production lab. Where we can use traditional healers, their knowledge, and the plants – aloes, you’ve seen how many aloes, we live in aloe land here, right? – we can have aloe products coming out of our ears. So we can create natural shampoos, lotions, conditioners, mouthwashes, toothpaste, everything to do with natural hygiene, that is not all full of chemicals and poisons and anything that you buy off of the shelf.

So we make it in bulk here for the community. And the community just comes every month or every week and just refills their disposable container. You don’t throw anything away, you just come and refill it. And then it creates another interesting opportunity. You can package this and make it available for a slight profit to the neighboring communities and that brings in the revenue we need to uplift and improve the projects. So every project that we have does two things. It provides that produce or product to the community for free or for virtually free. And the rest that we create we make available for the fraction of the cost to our neighboring communities. And that’s how you collapse the capitalism model.

A: That’s fantastic.

M: And what I forgot to say up front is the model of Contributionism is basically a holy trinity. We create three times as much as we need. And that’s the thing. Self-sustaining communities look after themselves. So think about what a self-sustaining community really is. It’s just a bigger version of my old ego. Instead of me, me, me, it’s now us, us, us. Let’s protect what we’ve got from the terrible people outside the walls. Well, that’s only going to last for as long until people start climbing over the walls to get what you’ve created. And trying to take it from yourself.

M: Yes. So that’s why Contributionism is critical. It’s creating abundance beyond you’re own needs. And you are making that abundance available to everyone around you.

A: Wow. Thank you for that. I really did not see the clarity of that.

A: It’s beautiful. So how about government?

M: What government?

A: The governing of the people. How do you keep the people from getting into with each other. Obviously there’s an adjustment period of getting used to this way of life. Because of all the programming that we all have so significantly been affected by.

M: Well, we are right at the beginning of this. As far as we know, this has never been done before.

A: I don’t think so.

M: But we are paving the path as we go. I have no idea how this is going to evolve. We have a great vision. We know what we want to do. And we just go everyday.

A: But, have you talked about a council? Or a round table?

M: Yeah, yeah.

A: Because we have worked with that.

L: What I was going to say is that with freedom comes responsibility. And we all have been conditioned to give all our power away to the government or the governmental body or whatever, the teachers, the school, and we don’t take responsibility for ourselves. We don’t grow any food. We don’t do anything for ourselves. So we are absolutely helpless. So if we want to free ourselves, all of us need to get involved. Take responsibility for ourselves and the community and that’s what we need to do. But we are talking about a Council of Elders, that we plan to use.

A: That’s good. That’s good.

M: So in essence, what Louise says, the Council of Elders that you allude to is critical. That becomes a new central decision making body on the behalf of the community. Or a voice on the behalf of the community. Because the municipality is certainly not the voice of the community. They’re the political structure put in place by the elite from the central office, right? The central government. And they don’t care about the community. You’ve driven around out town and you can see how they don’t care about our community. I mean the streets are broken, nothing works, the Town Hall is vandalized, the fish pond is vandalized, the water is undrinkable, the sports fields are vandalized, and these are the people which we pay rents and taxes to every month? What’s happening to all of the money? So in essence, what we’ve started here – and this is why it’s probably happening here and not in America or England or somewhere else, because we still probably have a lot of freedom here.

A: You have a lot more freedom that we do.

M: We can still sell raw milk. If you try to stop people from selling raw milk in South Africa they would look at you like, what is raw milk? It’s like it comes from the cow. It’s milk.

A: No, there’s definitely more freedom here. And there’s less electronic surveillance here.

M: Yeah. Well, maybe not necessarily as little as you think. But that’s a whole different debate. That’s a whole different debate. The point is this. The sheer numbers of unemployed, homeless, starving and hungry people, we have a lot more opportunity to unite the people of need. People in need. The moment that people look into your eyes and they trust you they know that you are not just another politician that comes with lies and deception. The moment that they look into your eye and they know, okay, these guys I can trust. And you show them a few of your actions and they can go, my goodness, these guys, really, I can trust them. You gain and re-gain the people’s trust and you do this for a little while and these people follow you in larger and larger numbers wherever you go. That’s basically that’s what we are doing here. Showing people that there are people out there with true honorable intentions to uplift the community.

Not like all the government projects of upliftment and empowerment that come in here. It’s all hot air and after several years it fizzles out and just causes more destruction because they plough the lands, they disrupt the roads, they dig up the water pipes and the electrical things under the pretense that they are going improve and upgrade and put it in new, and then they just leave it and disappear with all of the money. (Right) So that’s a repetitive story in South Africa.

L: And it’s also not letting people to follow you. It’s empowering people. So that they realize this is their town. This is their community. They need to take pride in it. They need to get involved and learn and take control for themselves.

A: It’s really like going back in time.

M: So in essence what we started doing here is the town hall was open and vandalized. Anyone could walk in there and take anything. And I just went, well, if we leave this there’s not going to be anything left. So I made a few metal security gates, blocked off the entrances that people were getting in through. And started cleaning up the hall, step by step. I mean, it took a long time. It’s taken us three months to clean the hall up. And put security gates and get it to the point where we now have running water in the kitchen, where as I mentioned earlier, the whole kitchen sink was ripped out. The water was flowing everywhere. No taps anywhere. The toilets were ripped out. So now we have running water in the kitchen. We can use one-half of a sink. We can use one toilet. We are making progress. We have some power in the electricity in some parts of the hall and very soon we will have the whole thing lit up.

And we can open the doors and start using it as a hall. Now you can invite in the community. They can go somewhere everyday and do something. You’ve shown them that you really mean what you say you are going to do. And what we’ve done, we’ve taken a vandalized hall and we’ve taken it back for the people. And I keep telling people that are getting involved with us, if it belongs to the municipality it belongs to the people. (Right) Because the municipalitiy is the servant of the people. And if they buy anything with our money it belongs to us. So let’s take the town hall and use it. So we are doing that to all the abandoned municipal buildings here, including the fish pond. Take it over piece by piece and start growing mushrooms in one big hall, putting in a boxing academy in the other. Because we desperately need a place for the boxing academy and so forth.

A: I know that a lot of people are thinking this – how are you overcoming the legal ramifications of going into an existing government building?

M: We’re not overcoming it with anything. We are just doing it.

A: And no one is stopping you.

M: No one is stopping us. And this is why it’s a place that I put so emphasis on the support of the people, the support of the community. It is that you have to gain the full support of the community because if, if – I trust it isn’t going to come – it’s going to be too late. If the opposition from the municipality comes then all of the people will say, well, who are you? This is our hall. We have events here. We teach the children how to read. We do adult literacy classes. This is the soup kitchen for the community and the homeless and the orphans. What have you done for us?

L: Why do you want to clear us out?

M: This is where we feed the orphans. They are not going to shut it down.

A: So they have something in it. And you are developing a sense of loyalty to it.
(Yes) ‘Here, have a cup of soup. If I don’t see you tomorrow, it’s not a biggie.’ With the soup kitchen, I mean just for an example.

M: It’s not just a soup kitchen. Eventually, there will be three meals a day. I’ll give you an example.

L: And it’s for the entire community. A: And they are proud of it.

M: I’ll give you an example. We just recently took a trip to Mozambique. Louise and I needed to take ten days off, or two weeks off, or we were going to lose our minds. So we drive to Mozambique for the first time, right across the border to the beautiful coast, and the spectacular ocean, and on the way back, I said to Louise, we need to start a sawmill, to cut wood for the people. Because wood has become so expensive.
People can hardly afford to buy wood anymore. And by the time we came back I manifested a sawmill. Remember how we were talking about manifestation. By the time that we came back, within three days, we were offered a saw, 300,000 RPMs saw. You can’t just buy that. We don’t have the money. We were offered a saw. For our sawmill. It cuts up to 6 meter tree trunks. In any kind of shape, size, planked, pellets, poles, anything that you want. For the sawmill.

And then two days later we were offered tree trunks from a farmer down the road here who was about to cut down 20 hectares of blue gum forest. So just like this. So we are just preparing the place to store the wood and this will become one of the – you will see on the community list – a sawmill – it is one of the projects. So we just manifested it. Now we need the cutting the wood and make it available to the community for the fraction, a quarter of the price, at least half of the price as than they can buy it in any another shop. Which will bring us income to the Ubuntu Movement with which we can then improve all other community projects. But, but – the big thing here is as we discussed over lunch – is the electricity.

A: Yes.

M: Okay. The electricity is the big thing. We can’t afford electricity anymore. I mean I struggle to pay for the electricity and we’re not rich but we’re not unemployed. I can’t imagine how the people who don’t have jobs or aren’t employed, how they actually survive without any electricity.

A: And when the electricity goes down they will evict you because you are not with the electricity.

M: Well, no, not really. If you don’t have money you can’t pay for pre-paid electricity so you sit in the dark and you can’t cook. And the winters are very, very cold.

A: Well, it’s more about squatting and what appears to be on the outside, and neighbors getting concerned and things like that.

M: The situation is slightly different here, but the point is that everyone needs electricity. All the community projects need electricity. We need electricity for the sawmill to cut the wood. We need electricity for baking bread. Our bakery has been standing empty for one year now because the woman who ran it, as a community project, couldn’t pay for the electricity bill. So the bakery closed down. It wasn’t necessarily a very good bakery but nevertheless. We can’t have a dairy without electricity. We can’t keep the milk cool or make butter and cheese. Okay. So we need electricity. So we have found an alternative source.

A: I was going to say, what about free energy.

M: So we have found more than one alternative source of electricity. And the community is now becoming aware of it.

A: Wow.

M: The word is spreading very quickly that Ubuntu has an alternative source of electricity. We have created a petition. So this is how we are handling the potential opposition from our municipality.

A: Okay. ­

M: We have created a one page petition that spells out the community projects, that spells out how we are going to convert the fish pond, reactivate the fish pond because we’ve heard that they want to break down a 20 million rand fish pond and put a shopping mall there. We want to stop that from happening. And reactivate the fish pond. Because the fish pond will feed everyone in town and that hundreds and thousands of fish to export out of our town every month. Bring in loads of money into our community, to upgrade the community with. But for that we need electricity again. So the petition tells the people about all of these community projects, the petition will save the fish pond and that we want the municipality to find an alternative source of electricity. That’s the petition. Everyone that’s seen it – the reaction is, where can I sign it? That’s the reaction. Even from the very conservative white people in this town. Even they want to sign it. Okay. And we thought they would be in opposition.

So in 3 to 4 weeks from now, we will have 4 to 5 thousand of these petitions signed. We’ll go from house to house. That is pretty much an election document that will elect us into office if we need to. Because if everyone in our town has signed this petition – of 80% of the people, the overwhelming majority, we will take that to the mayor. If the mayor doesn’t respond we’ll start with a legal court action. And any judge will say, well, the people have spoken. Why have not you done this? And we might even have the platform for a vote of no confidence in the mayor and replace him. And have a vote for the new mayor of the town.

A: Which would be you!

M: Most likely it would be me. So who knows how this is going to unfold. We don’t know. But from my knowledge of the legal system, I have learned enough from the legal system now, with my action against the banks, as you know, the highest paid lawyers in the world, anyway, oh yeah, we are talking about guys that get paid salaries that boggle your mind. For one day’s work, (That you have worked with) half a day’s work for an average annual salary for a half a day’s work. It’s like you’ve got to be kidding.

A: Tell us a little about that.

M: Well, in 2010, I started to resist the banks, harrassment, that I was in two months in arrears in my mortgage because I was traveling overseas and whatever and I just thought, why are they harrassing me so much? I wasn’t going anywhere, I was paying the thing. And then my friend Scott and I started talking about the ‘freeman,’ the ‘sovereign man,’ and that’s when I started getting into it, yeah, ‘straw man.’ And I realized there’s something wrong with the whole banking system and I thought, I’m going to test this. Because it wasn’t the house that I was living in, fortunately, it was a home that I had bought on spec from land as an investment. I thought it would be a investment.

Anyway, I wrote the bank a letter and I said I wanted to see the original documents and to see this and that and they said, ‘Sorry, we aren’t going to give it to you.’ Just like that. ‘We aren’t giving it to you.’ I’m not kidding to you. ‘We’re not giving to you.’ So I said, ‘well then I’m not going to give you any more money. Until you show me the original documents, I’m not going to pay you.’ Unfortunately, you know, you lose that battle very quickly. So before I knew it I was in court against the bank and I had to go and defend myself against non-payment. And I had to learn all about how the banks work and the securitization – that they don’t actually own the property anymore because they have sold it on and they have no right to act against you. But it was a process.

At the beginning I was really green and I learned. I went to the University of Life, teaching myself, standing there defending myself against the highest paid lawyers and advocates in the – it was at the Supreme Court in Johannesburg. Not just some local regional court. Only advocates – the guys in black robes are allowed in there. They are high-flown lawyers in South Africa. And after 3 1/2 years of that court, the only way that they could beat me, is by coming up with a fraudulent judgment against me. A fraudulent judgment. It was pre-written by the judge and obviously handed to him by the lawyers of the bank. (Unbelievable) The Standard Bank. The largest bank in Africa. Any company that has the name Standard in it must be a Rockefeller company. Well, Standard Oil and the Bank.

A: Wow. So what –

M: So I lost that obviously. The house was auctioned and I was ordered to pay sums of money to the bank, to the lawyers, which I did. Louise and I, we drew up a promissory note, because I learned a lot of stuff in that process. I became very wise. I drew up a promissary note and I paid the bank. It was the equivalent of half a million dollars. And which they have now accepted. They haven’t said anything. It’s been a year and a half now.

A: An expensive lesson but you got it off of your back, basically.

M: Yeah. But I’ve learned a lot. Right now the banks will probably think twice before they come after me because they don’t want Michael Tellinger who is the head of the Ubuntu Party, because you see then, then they will get far more media exposure and they really don’t need that kind of exposure. So who knows. So I’m using that knowledge with the petition. (Yes) And getting the people behind me here and if the mayor doesn’t respond you give him notice, right? You’ve got 21 days to provide an alternative source of electricity. If not, we are going to take the necessary steps to implement this for the people.

A: So that’s kind of going back to Common Law, you know. And that’s where we really need to be.

M: In some ways. It was really uniting the people and then using the legal system that they have created against us and using it against them.

A: Right.

M: So that is how I see this. We know where the plug is to unplug the current supply and plug ourselves in.

A: Okay.

M: It’s virtually going ‘ding’ and plug ourselves in. For the whole town.

A: Wohh.

M: But first we need to get a lot of our ducks in a row.

A: You’d better be prepared for this.

M: We have to be prepared for this.

A: This is going to end up in the newspapers around the world, for sure.

M: But in essence, the people need to know that we have access to free electricity. And in return, for three hours a week, in any of the community projects, you get free electricity, uncapped electricity. Because the machine, you know, there’s no cap on the machine, it produces 1.2 megawatts of electricity. It’s much more than we need in this town. So the excess will be put back into the grid and ESKOM, the major supplier that supplies 45% of Africa – the continent of Africa – 45% is supplied by South Africa’s ESKOM. They are huge.

A: They are going to buy it back from you.

M: They will pay us for it. They don’t advertise that but they do that if the situation occurs. Because they, it’s a long story and I don’t want to digress. But ESKOM is really doing nasty things in South Africa. They have something called ‘load shedding’ where they tell the town that we don’t have enough electricity so certain towns in South Africa are going to have go without electricity for a few hours and they warn you in advance or a day, say, on Wednesday on next week you are not going to have electricity. So prepare for that. So we can overcome that. The power never fails.

There are other things that I don’t necessarily want to talk about right now. We have other energy devices that are just coming out of our ears. All the energy thing is exploding are around the world. It is connected to the level of consciousness. And it’s only coming through now because the people’s consciousness has reached a level where we can accept it. We can bring it into our reality and not abuse it. (Yes) And we can use it for the benefit of the community. And this is key. And I’ve got to stress this, and I know that I am rattling off like that.

But by creating an energy device that you give every person in their home, that’s not the solution. (Okay) Because then you are actually dividing the people. It becomes again me, me, me. I’m okay, I’m running my household by a free electricity device. My power is not going to down. But my neighbor will. Okay. So what we are promoting here is an energy supply that can supply the whole town. Not just individuals. So you use the electricity supply, the free electricity as a tool of unification. To unite the people. A tool to unite the people. Everybody can have free electricity, but you have to give three hours a week, three hours a week? to one of the community projects. Why? Because three is a holy trinity number and we like to work with that. Three hours a week? Think about the number of community projects that we have.

Let’s say we’ve end up with 50 community projects, right? And with 3 hours a week, we have 5000 people in our town, that’s 15,000 hours a week. Fifty community projects, 15,000 hours a week. We don’t have enough community projects for the people to work in. So you can see we already have a problem. So it means that abundance we will create. There is so much bread, so many bridges, so much food, we have too much stuff. That all of these people are doing things because we have free electricity.

A: Fantastic. I was going to ask you, you have about 5,000 people?

M: Yeah. Between 4 and 5. It isn’t quite certain. Between 4 and 5,000 people.

A: Why here? I know you have discovered the stone circles and the research, but why at this place?

M: Because this is where we are. This is where the Ubuntu Movement was formed, it was created, this is where we wrote the philosophy.

L: This is where that we live.

M: And we live here.

L: It’s where our community is.

A: I was just curious.

L: It makes sense to start in our own community.

M: And also, we are here because of the ancient civilization. So there is a strong resonance here. And I can tell you, just ask Louise, for seven years, I have been here seven and a half years. It’s been like a black hole of sucking energy because, whatever, the dark forces are preventing us from getting off of the ground here. So once we succeed here, it’s game over.

A: It will take off.

M: It’s slam dunk, home-run, game over.

A: No surprise that it would be in South Africa, which was the First World Age, it’s (??), so it is not a surprise that this would be the beginning of this Movement. M: Yeah.

A: [to L:] Well, so do you have anything else to contribute as far as going into any other ideas about Ubuntu? Because I know that you are the woman behind it all.

L: No, just that we are going to continue and we’re very excited by all of the support we get around the world. We feel very blessed about that. We are watching other communities growing now in Canada, in Australia, and the United States, and it’s really heart-warming.

A: Where in the United States, by the way?

M: Well, all over. There’s a huge Ubuntu Movement in the USA and the Canadian Ubuntu Movement is just really strong. They’re already registering the party. The UK Ubuntu Party has been registered. In Australia I think they have started that process there. In Germany, in Austria. In Austria, the Ubuntu Movement is being – I’m not sure how far they are, but Professor Franz Hormann, the leading professor of Economics at the Vienna Institute of Economics. He is the guy behind the Ubuntu Movement in Austria.

A: That’s big. L: Yes, isn’t that interesting?

M: So in essence what we have done is, we have planted the seeds of consciousness, they are growing themselves. We cannot control the whole thing around the world but what we need to control is the clarity and the purity of the message that goes through. We can’t allow the rogue elements to infiltrate this integrity of what we are doing. It has to stay as clear and as focused as the original message. And we have seen already that there are people that are trying to undermine it. To use the Ubuntu logo and the name and so forth to try to sell dubious products and stuff like that. So what we have been trying to create as quickly as possible is a platform where all the accredited or affiliates of Ubuntu are on. So if you’re not on our accredited affiliate website then you are not an official accredited affiliate of Ubuntu and you are doing your own thing. And you’re a rogue element and you are dividing the effort.

So it’s really important for people to say, don’t think that because you think you can understand the philosophy you can run off and do your thing and call it Ubuntu Contributionism. That’s going against the grain. Communicate with us and make us know that you are setting something up. We would love to have you represent Ubuntu and Contributionism in your area, so keep working with us, get as much information for those who are forming political parties. All of the documents have been written. And when we get to the politics, we want the political message to be the same in every country. Obviously, slightly skewed for the specific conditions of each country, but the message needs to be the same. I don’t want to see the political parties, Ubuntu parties getting up in other countries and going with radical, wild messages. That is not going to be supported by us here in the Ubuntu Head Office.

A: Which would ultimately lead to separatism. I want to read this out to the people.

This is part of their Manifesto. Our inalienable rights. The rights of all citizens:
1: The country belongs to its people.
2: The land belong to its people.
3: The water belongs to the people.
4: The forests belong to the people.
5: The rivers and the lakes belong to the people.
6: The gold, the platinum, diamonds, chrome, copper, iron, uranium, tin, aluminum, and all other minerals in the ground belong to the people.
7: The air and the air waves belong to the people. -I just got goosebumps on that one.
8: Everything that grows on the land belongs to the people.
9: The beaches and the mountains and the skies above belong to the people.
10: The wild animals do not belong to us or anyone else. They belong to the planet (Right on) and we are their custodians and protectors.
11: The Earth is our Mother. We are only here because of her and therefore we must honor her and protect her against harm. -I mean I almost was crying when I read that.

M: Well, that is sort of a manifesto of the Ubuntu Movement in general. The political party has a slightly different manifesto which people can get on the website. It goes into what will we do when get into power and if I am elected President. The first thing to do is to close down the Central Bank because I’m the reserve bank and replace it by a people’s bank that issues money for the people, by the people, tax free, interest free, free of any levies, taxes, or fees payable to anyone, no interest, no inflation. The money is created by the people for the people so that people can do everything and anything that every community needs to do. (Right) That’s what that money will be for. Just imagine what that does to the psyche of the people. Certainly. Everyone who lives in any city anywhere stuck or in fear of leaving the city to a small town or to the mountains somewhere because they don’t like to live in the city, can move and do that. Why? Because no matter how small the one-horse town is, the people’s bank in that town will make money available for all the community projects that they need to do for their community. Can you see how that changes everything?

A: Completely.

M: So it makes you realize that money should be used as a tool for abundance for the people. Right now it is being used as a tool of enslavement. (Exactly) And the moment that you start using money as a tool of abundance very quickly people will realize well, okay, great, now you can go into the the bank, the People’s Bank, to get all of this money to build the roads and the bridges and plant the food and after a few years I realized, well, why do we keep going and get the money. We know that we are going to get the money for everything that we need to do, so let’s just leave the money out of it and just do it. So it’s a process, a slow process of realizing that we don’t need the money, we need each other. A: Right.

M: So there are two manifestos. One is the Ubuntu Contributionism Manifesto, the people’s rights, the unalienable rights of living, breathing, human beings and not citizens – that’s an old document – where I still refer to people as citizens.

A: Ahh.

M: Okay. And remember, this is a living document, it changes all the time.

M: And for the political party and the political elections we had a different – a 7-point Manifesto, where we speak about the bank, as I said, and then supporting the sciences on all levels, making money available for exploration, the discovery, and the development of other free energy devices, supporting the farmers, creating laboratories to undo the Monsanto GMO stuff so our scientists can fix the problems that Monsanto created, support the sports, support everything, aquaculture, purify the water, provide unlimited electricity, so that’s like a 7-point mantra for the election year, if you want to call it that. The political platform.

A: Right, and it also lists here that the people that are needed to support the Ubuntu Movement for Michael and Louise are cooks, chefs, and bakers, barmen/women, builders and handymen, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, organic farmers, food growers, artists and crafters, IT, which is always essential, and graphic designers and all other skills.

M: And especially now as well, sports facilitators, health care givers, doctors, nurses, physiotherapists, teachers, and sports facilitators, soccer trainers, coordinators, basketball trainers, people that love to train kids to play basketball, tennis, all the sports. We need those people to come as well as volunteers to come and work with us for a few months in the very beginning as we start these community projects off the ground. Very soon we are going to have 300-400 children a day playing sports every day. From tennis to volley ball, to basketball, to cricket, to rugby, to soccer. Somebody is going to have to be there to coordinate it. Louise and I can’t do that.

When we say that we need help with the funding, and people say, What are you doing? Well, these are the things that we are doing. And we need to be able to feed these people as they come here as volunteers. We have to be able to – actually the volunteers are to pay for themselves. We work on $30 a day for accommodations and food, right? (Right) So most people can afford that for two months. And most of them – it might actually be cheaper for them to live with us than to live at home.

A: No kidding. It’s a good deal.

M: And then basically all the community project leaders to take care of all these on a daily basis. This is a huge operation we are starting and as far as we know this has never been done before.

A: It’s so fantastic. Well, wow. I just want to thank you so very much. You guys have been outstanding to talk to today. And thank you for working it out that finally we were able to meet in person.

L: Thank you for coming.

A: I am so honored to be here in South Africa. I just love it here. And I just want to ask everyone to please check out Michael’s site, and he also has Michael Tellinger.com, that’s one of them. UbuntuParty.org.za. And what is the other one?

M: That’s it.

A: Those two. So if you have any questions, You please you spread the light across the world. You make the difference. We are here to support you. I am so honored that you have done this much work for all of us. And we really appreciate it.

M: Thank you, Alexandra.

L: Thank you.

A: We love you too. Thank you. Take care you guys. We’ll see you on the other side of the world next time.

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